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ms533
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posted December 10, 2003 08:30 AM
Does anyone here suggest or have any feedback on cropping pit bulls ears, I've had pits before and never cropped ears. I just got a 6 wk old and my fiance wants to crop his ears, but i am very hesitant. Any suggestions or issues i should be concerned about???
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posted December 10, 2003 10:28 AM
You'd be best off taking him to a vet were it can be done properly.
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posted December 10, 2003 11:01 AM
oh definately, i wasnt talking about doing it myself, definatley not, but does it hurt the dog, is it similar to declawing cats??
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posted December 10, 2003 12:30 PM
Well, it is similar to declawing except for the fact that declawing does serve a functional purpose (to us not the cat) and cropping serves no purpose to anyone. Yes it does hurt. He will probably be numbed during the operation, but it will hurt afterward. I have only regularly been around one dog that has cropped ears (a giant schnauzer.) His were cropped just after birth, and he still won't allow you to touch them. If he doesn't know you, he'll snap at you and growl if you move your hand toward his ears.
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posted December 10, 2003 11:26 PM
I think that pits look better without cropped ears!
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posted December 11, 2003 04:16 AM
I think so too, I'm pretty sure I've talked him out of wanting to crop lil Ace's ears... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted December 11, 2003 05:15 PM
IMO, cropping ears is purely cosmetic and doesn't serve a purpose outside of the show ring, if you aren't going to show this guy, leave him natural, I love the floppy ear look too ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted December 13, 2003 03:23 PM
You might want to take another look at your fiance. I know it sounds wacko, and I'm not pretending to know everything, so I hope you take this in the spirit it's intended. It sounds like the two of you have very different ideas about pet ownership, and that can translate into very different ideas about a lot of different things - like raising kids, goals, and values. I'm not trying to read too much into this, but both of your posts have indicated that your fiance wants to do things to this puppy that you disagree with, and you're hesitant to stand up for what you think. If it's your puppy, it's your responsibility to take the best possible care of him physically and emotionally. It sounds like you have good instincts about this stuff, so listen to yourself and don't let your fiance talk you into doing things to this puppy that you don't think are right.
I'm sorry about overstepping. I'm just concerned for you and the baby.
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posted December 13, 2003 04:18 PM
cropping ears, docking tails, declawing cats and nipping vocal cords are all illegal in the UK because of the animal welfare issues surrounding them, they are painful operations that have no benefit to the animal whatsoever and in my opinion anyone who performs any of these operations on their animals does not deserve to own them. I hope that soon the USA follows the UKs example and bans these cruel and unnecessary practises outright. I know this sounds a little harsh but i feel very strongly about this subject. I dont mean to offend anyone - this is just my opinion.
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posted December 14, 2003 11:13 AM
I don't have a problem with docking tails on some breeds, as long as it's done very, very early. It can be seen as a hygienic issue in many situations.
We also removed the dew claws on our Newf/Great Pyrenees because I have a fear of them being ripped off.
As far as ear cropping, declawing, and debarking, I think they're very unnecessary and ridiculous. Ear cropping is just vain. Declawing and debarking prevent animals from doing things that are most natural to them, and it seems cruel to me. In addition, they remove some of the animals' natural defenses, and that's wrong.
At the same time, there are people who think exactly the opposite, as is their right. I don't look for the US to outlaw these things any time soon. I would like to see some of the registries change their specifications to discourage such mutiliations.
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posted December 14, 2003 12:26 PM
the only breed that has a real hygiene issue with their tail is the old english sheepdog. In breeds such as dobermans, rotweilers, pointers, miniture pinschers, bull terriers, pits, staffies, spaniels etc there is NO hygiene issue at all - and really if the dog is properly cared for even an OES wont have any problems. The original purpose of docking tails was in fighting dogs and badger baiting terriers so they couldnt get caught by the tail by their opponent. Since both these practices are now outlawed i believe the docking that went with them should be as well. A dogs tail is part of how it communicates with other dogs and as such required in order to express natural behaviour. People have probably heard me talk before about the "five freedoms" in relation to animal welfare of which "the freedom to express natural behaviour" is one. Any animal disallowed this right is technically being abused and that includes de-clawing and docking. All forms of abuse should be illegal.
Removing dew claws is totally for the good of the animal, i see far too many dogs through my dad's surgery that have had dew claws ripped off to ever worry that the benefits dont outweigh any welfare issues with the actual removal.
Lou
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posted December 14, 2003 03:39 PM
Three cheers for the UK! What is this desire in people that seeks to reduce, enlarge, remove, add too... etc. etc.! We do it to ourselves, our children (mothers in this area are giving their high school daughters the "gift" of breast augmentation!!!). So cutting on our animals should not be all that shocking, I guess. Is there such dissatisfaction with everything we see that it has to be clipped, snipped, pooked or puffed up? Do we ever examine our motives for some of the things we come up with?
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posted December 14, 2003 04:01 PM
hear hear Freckles.
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posted December 22, 2003 07:50 AM
my fiance has finally dropped the cropping ears thing after seeing first hand what kind of proccess it is ( our friend just got a 11 wk boxer with ears already done)he says never would he crop any dogs ears after the contraption they put on their ears and how pitiful the puppy looked.
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posted December 23, 2003 09:06 AM
glad to hear it. What a shame for the poor boxer puppy though ![[Frown]](frown.gif) Hope you manage to bring him round on the neutering thing as well.
Lou
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