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mojo
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posted January 04, 2004 01:14 PM
WWW.ANIMALSVOICE.COM go to image gallery then click on dogs in china.
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carriecrowe
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posted January 04, 2004 06:34 PM
yes, this is sick but true. i mean people in france and other countries eat horses. now me personally wouldnt be able to eat anything like horses, dogs, cats or anything else. in their country it isnt considered animal cruelty, it is called their way of life... i have mixed opinions about the entire issues of what other countries do, i mean im not saying it is right or anything like that.it's just that is the way their country is..
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lou3
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posted January 05, 2004 10:49 AM
This site is such a load of ****. OK so there are real issues with animal cruelty but this is an extremist activist site that has absolutely no place in any reasonable or legitimate conversation or debate.
Most of the images in the gallery are absolutely contrived. Take the sheep farming gallery for example. I see a picture of one sheep that has injured itself, one sheep getting sheared - which is for its own good so it doesnt overheat in the summer months, a whole load of sheep that have been gathered in for worming etc waiting to go back into their field, and sheep at lambing time on a vet-approved surface that is the most hygenic way to keep them for the couple of weeks they are inside while the lambs are born so you can keep an eye on them.
These people have obviously not done their research properly and i believe people that irresponsibly put out a load of rubbish like this which to a trained eye is just a load of **** should be prosecuted for slander and providing misleading information to the public. Honestly anyone that takes any notice of people like the owners of this site is just plain stupid.
Lou
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ms533
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posted January 05, 2004 11:21 AM
ok well, how do you describe the pictures of dead dogs and cats just piled on top of eachother??? and how do you describe 10 dogs in a cage or crate made for 2?? Anyone from the animal humane society would come in and take all those animals if they saw that.. it is animal cruelty. Maybe some of the pics are giving false definitions but the apparent ones is clearly animal cruelty. and i dont think one bit that this site is full of **** . This is real life stuff that animals have to endure everyday.
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bearsmom
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posted January 05, 2004 11:36 AM
This site has a very obvious agenda. They have a link labeled 'Animals as Food.' I think that gives a pretty good idea of what they're trying to accomplish.
While I would never knowingly eat pet animals (dogs, cats, horses), I have no right to judge other cultures who do. I think it's extremely ethnocentric to base our judgments of other cultures on our societal values. To Hindus, it's sacreligious that we eat cows. To Buddhists, it's unbelievable that we eat any animals.
This site is using inflammatory pictures and inaccurate information (electroshock IS NOT used to dehorn cattle!!) to further their goals of veganism and placing animals on the same plane as humans. I adore my animals, and take my responsibility to care for them and treat them humanely extremely seriously. It angers me when other people do not, and I think that we need to work to promote humane treatment of all animals. At the same time, animals do not have the same rights as humans, and I think that people who think they do need a serious reality check.
Of course, everyone's entitled to their own opinions. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted January 05, 2004 01:33 PM
Well I just took a very quick look around there. I didn't see anything illegal at all. The only way that you're entitled to say anything is if you're a vegan yourself. Otherwise, you're promoting it. While I don't agree with all practices, these photos are all within regulations.
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lou3
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posted January 05, 2004 04:42 PM
Im all for animal rights and improving systems, it just annoys me so much when people are allowed to say things that are false and display pictures that they have contrived themselves or are from one-off isolated incidents and say they are "accurate" and "the norm" in order to make it look like farmers etc dont care for their animals properly or that perfectly humane practices are cruel. People need to get their facts straight and not be exposed to this kind of extremist rubbish.
As far as im concerned its fine to be a vegetarian/vegan as long as the reason you do it is because you dont believe in eating animals. If its for animal welfare reasons - get a bloody grip - farm animals are well cared for and not mistreated in any way. Most live better lives, in more appropriate conditions than even well-cared-for pets.
Lou
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Uber
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posted January 25, 2004 03:38 PM
This message is for Lou3. Farm animals are extremely mal-treated, and for you to say that they live better lives than pets is way off. There are certain circumstances where farmer take extremely good care of their animals, but they are very few in number. Face it, mass marketed animals are not treated humanely, they are dollar signs only. If you read anything about the inhumane practices at slaughter houses work and the mistreatment of livestock in large farms are treated, I think you would have a clearer view of what you were saying.
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posted January 25, 2004 06:02 PM
Anyone there raised on a working ranch? Until you have you have no idea what is involved. Some of it not pretty, but we humans aren't kind to other humans a lot of the time. I have a real struggle with any kind of mistreatment of God's creatures. But, sometimes what is viewed as mistreatment of animals is a cultural thing and until thought is changed through education or a changed ethic we each as an individual can attempt to show by example our highest sense of what is right. My mother's favorite words to me were, "actions speak louder than words".
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lou3
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posted January 26, 2004 08:28 AM
ok Uber - my dad is a vet, i have seen more slaughter houses, farms etc with him - and have a far deeper understanding of how they work - than anyone who has just read the sort of rubbish produced on the site that was posted can possibly have. My grandparents are farmers and their animals are extremely well treated. It makes no sense for farmers NOT to keep their animals in the best of conditions because then production levels fall and the farmer makes LESS profit not more.
FORGET READING RUBBISH LIKE THE SITE THAT WAS POSTED HERE - try reading stuff published by government vets, industry researchers etc that actually know what they are talking about. Find me a mass-production system that does not conform to the five freedoms of animal welfare satisfactorily, that isnt a load of fabricated nonsense put about by the sort of group that owns the site posted here (with physiological, and behavioural FACTS as to why not, opinons are NOT good enough) and i'll eat my words.
Lou
[ January 26, 2004, 08:29 AM: Message edited by: lou3 ]
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posted January 26, 2004 10:36 AM
You also have to remember that farms and slaughter houses are vastly different in the uk than in america. Because it is done on such a huge scale over here, it isn't the "ideal" life for the animal. But it's not necessarly abuse either.
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