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Tinkerbell
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posted June 25, 2004 12:17 AM
Hey all of you should remember Tinkerbell the chihuahua.The one who survived PaRvO!!! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ..Anyways she has started soemthing new..she likes to mount me and my family members now.Is she comming in heat she is about 7 months old. Would it be really dangerous to breed a 10lb male with a 5 lb female? I'm afraid Riley the male is gonna end up getting to her and ya nkow he wiegs 5-6 more pounds than her. No blood or nothing yet but I think she may be coming into heat. Also there is a knot on her back right under her backbone closer to her head than her tail.?.I can move it around I noticed it when I was petting her the other night.I hope it nothing very bad I doubt she want to go through any more pain for a while. Shes doing great though considering the parvo! She went in and got all her shots and so did my other dogs and she has another appointment on the 2nd. Along with my other 2 dogs.
Posts: 12 | From: Arkansas | Registered: Jun 2004
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ellierat
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posted June 25, 2004 12:48 AM
Your dog is only a puppy herself, two good reasons to prevent a mating:
1. After parvo, the pups she has will be very, very, suseptable to catch this very active, live virus in your home, which hangs around for about a year.
2. Your dog may die in labour, or at the very least need a C. section, very common in small breeds of dogs anyway, not to mention she is only half grown.
So the choice and responsibility of your dog, that you so much wanted to survive, can now be in the fate of your hands.
Not trying to be mean, only trying to point out the possible outcome, in a very blunt way.
You could consider boarding her out while in heat, or sending her to a relative, or doing this with your male.
2 Years min. age before mating your breed, or you will be baned for the rest of her life with C sections, possible hysterectomy (spay) from the beginning.
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Posts: 880 | From: australia | Registered: Feb 2004
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Tinkerbell
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posted June 25, 2004 01:14 AM
Okay the bad thing is i live in arkasnas...I'm going to Dallas this Saturday.My g-pa is staying with them I have no relatives near me.My parents wont let me board her.She cant stay locked up bc she can go under the doors and if you put something under it she digs out or scartched threw it. Is it really dangerous to breed her..I dont want to even though I would love some little puppies running around I just worry about her and if the puppies were to bug and I know she is to young and I dont think you are supposed to get them spayed during heat. She hasnt had no blood and my male is also not showing intrest in her.Although he is in our spayed female?Do you think he has mistaken the spayed on for the one currently in heat? Thanks,Erin
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ellierat
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posted June 25, 2004 03:46 AM
It really doesn't matter about your male mistaking one or the other for heat, you will be faced with the problem of not wanting to mate the same as I have with Ellie, who is in heat at the moment, but after having a litter of 8 I am not about to let her get pregnant again right now. The male has been out there howling and barking for 2 weeks now, I have been quite ill, but we have had to separate her and put up with it or there would definately be puppies, cause if Wally could, he would . So maybe it is a good opportunity for you to work out in advance some sort of solution. If you want to spey her, do it now, before any signs of heat, 7 months is a good age, don't leave it till she comes in, and you then have to wait and abort, it is expensive to do it that way.
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posted June 25, 2004 08:17 AM
If you are concerned that you cannot fix your female b/c she is in heat, then why not fix your male?
It is impossible to keep two inside dogs seperated while the female is in heat. We have to send our boy to my in-laws. Just because he isn't showing interest in her now doesn't mean he won't. He will attempt it when she is most fertile.
I am assuming from your post that you are a minor b/c you said your parents will not board him. If it is the expense, I promise you the cost of a litter of puppies is going to be far greater than that of a kennel. What is working now won't work for long, so for your little girl's sake get one of them out of there. Your boy will stop at no lengths to get to her. Trust me!
Shannon
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posted June 25, 2004 10:12 AM
yes it is VERY dangerous to breed her just now. it is dangerous for a normal puppy of that age but doubly so for a dog that has been severely set back and is probably still immune compromised as yours has from the parvo. Do you not even have a friend who would take the male even if you dont think they can cope with a female in heat?
Lou
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posted June 25, 2004 10:43 AM
Even under ideal conditions, you should not allow a female to get pregnant till she is full grown – that’s 2 years of age. To do so earlier, puts her and the life of the pups in danger. So that means if you wish to breed her for pups, you will have at least 1 ½ years of not allowing any breeding.
You could invest in crates and have each dog in their own crate and let out individually for walks, play time, etc. You would have to be very diligent and watchful to make sure that the male doesn’t impregnate the female even when it doesn’t appear she’s in heat. Would you have the strength to leave one in a cage while you play, groom, train the other and then do over again?
Is she even of the quality that you feel pups would be desirable to others as well as yourself? If you read back thru the postings on this forum – you will note that breeding is not for the timid, busy person. If you can’t find someone to watch them now – what would you do if the male decides pups aren’t for him and wants to kill them? What about the weeks of puppy care – are you knowledgeable enough to care, wean, deliver, etc?
This is all more hassle than it’s worth unless you really want to become a PROFESSIONAL breeder. I would ask you to think hard about your life’s situation and do what’s best for the dogs & yourself.
Posts: 748 | From: Edmonton AB Canada | Registered: Mar 2004
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Tinkerbell
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posted June 25, 2004 11:05 AM
Hey,Yes I do know about alot of that stuff.And we do have money they just dont like leaving her other places. And I do have some people that are wanting my puppies. I dont have a crate right now and they are seperated at night. Has anyone ever had a small dog this young get pregnat?If so what happened? Anyways I dont know what I'm going to do bc I dont want to lose her.It was painful going through her Parvo. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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sgour
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posted June 25, 2004 11:36 AM
This is a post from another forum I belong to about a lady who bred her small breed dog when it WAS old enough:
we had a lovely yorkie (Toffie) she was adorable I decided to breed from her I had no idea about breeding small dogs we put her to a good dog and did all the right things she went into labour had the pups we didnt realise small dog breeding was very special needing to keep them absolouty at the right temp etc we lost two pups then toffie became poorley she sadly died of a ruptured uterus then only one pup survived we had lost our beloved dog our vet bill was $1000 (but we would gladly stand that if we still had her) ask me if i wish i had ever bred her? my answer is no I wish I hadnt it broke my husband heart and mine as well and why did we breed her? because friends wanted a puppy from her.
I hope this helps you decide how important it is to keep them apart. Breeding is complicated no matter what the breed, but toys are VERY difficult, and unless you spend several years doing the research it is not worth the risk.
Shannon
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posted June 25, 2004 11:38 AM
![[Eek!]](eek.gif) She is WAY too young to breed. They must be at least two years ideally. You should keep them is separate areas while you are gone (maybe in separate houses). The lump is most likely a cyst, get it checked by a doctor. Wait until she is completely healed from EVERYTHING before you breed her.
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posted June 25, 2004 02:03 PM
Yes i do know a small dog that got pregnant when she was just eight months old. (she wasnt mine) Smudge was a pomeranian, she died under anaesthetic when she underwent a ceasarian because the puppies were too big to be born naturally.
Lou
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Tinkerbell
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posted June 25, 2004 03:55 PM
Ok anyways I'm gonig to try and keep them seperated. And my friends wanted a puppy out of my two to.Thanks for all the info..Erin-Tinkerbell
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posted June 25, 2004 04:58 PM
I'm disappointed in you.... I really thought these arguements showing you the dangers would stir you to a more decisive role. Why take the chance so your friends can get a cheap puppy from you. Are these just dogs or your friends?
[ June 25, 2004, 05:00 PM: Message edited by: doglover ]
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posted June 25, 2004 05:01 PM
Tinkerbell, when I was younger my parents bred poodles, maltese, and shitzu's, I would say half had to have C sections.
I took a poodle of theirs when they were moving and stopped breeding. Joe (poodle) was 5 years old, she had had litters before, but this time a pup had pushed through the uterus and had it's head in her belly. She had an emergency C section, luckily I was experienced enough to know she was in trouble, as you can't see anything that's going on inside till they open up. I got to the vets, being a weekend I had to assist the operation. After watching my poor dog go through this, trying to bring her round, watching her uncontrolable shaking, seeing all the blood in her belly, lucky she survived, not to mention any problems that may result afterwards. Her uterus was no good, it had a big tear in it, so they removed it altogether.
she had 9 puppies, only 4 survived.
Trust me, you don't want your pup pregnant, she could go through all this, and your pups WILL get parvo if your girl had the virus in your home you are in now!!!
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Tinkerbell
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posted June 25, 2004 05:14 PM
Ok I definitally wont let her get pregnat. I will wait a couple more years and maybe decide on it then. Sorry if I seemed brief in my post before but I was in a hurry. Once again thanks for all the information. I think im gonna end up getting my male nuetered anyway and if we do decide to have her breed it will be by a chihuahua. I have a friend who has 2 males and they are smaller but this will all be in the future. Some one told me if it was the same breed they would turn out better. Is that true?
Erin
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posted June 25, 2004 05:34 PM
Tinkerbell that is ok about your last post. To me you sound young and inexperienced in dog breeding. Go and get a book from your library, learn a little first. Breeding is not easy, there is much involved, after they have them they will only look after them till about 4 weeks old, then YOU have to do the work. Weaning, cleaning, etc. finding homes, that takes till 8 weeks of age. You have to separate the pregnant girl, from the others and then keep the others away from the puppies, they can get jealous and even kill the puppies.
With small breeds you should never mate a dog with a much larger one even within the breed, let alone crossing with another breed altogether.
I personally don't agree with cross breeding, and many may get on your case about it, I can see you are inexperienced and have not researched into what you are doing. You would probably be better off getting your pets sterilized, and wait for breeding when you are a lot older. There are many unwanted dogs out in the world already, please don't add to the problem. You could end up with 6-8 puppies, have a think now, look in your local paper and see how many other cross breeds people are trying to give away, check your shelter and see how many cross breeds are waiting to be put to sleep. If you could guarantee that you could find homes for your girls 6-8 puppies then try when she is older, but make sure you breed from the same breed.
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posted June 25, 2004 08:27 PM
Yeah definitley dont see a reason to purposley cross breed.
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