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AndreaMoon
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posted July 12, 2004 09:56 AM
My mother has a Golden Retriever. She got her as a puppy and never got her fixed out of irresponsibility. She is chained up outside all the time. It has always hurt my heart but I haven't been able to talk sense into her about it. I never really go around the dog or pet it because she is very unruly. You can't get near her without her jumping on you. I know it's only because she doesn't get the attention she needs. Yesterday Mom says Ginger is sick, she threw up. She said she thinks she may be pregnant. Oh I was so mad because she is so young ![[Frown]](frown.gif) So today I see my Mom and she said Ginger had puppies. I can't believe no one even knew she was pregnant until yesterday. Anyway, all this is beside the point. Here's where I need help. Ginger had 10 puppies. Only 3 survived. Mom said the rest were in sacks??? Do you know why this happened? Is it common for a dog to lose that many puppies? Also, Ginger is acting like she doesn't know how to nurse them. I don't really understand this because I haven't seen it with my own eyes. I would think instinct would take over here. Ginger is over a year old so I don't think this is all because she's too young but I have no idea about the proper age for dogs to breed. This is all just breaking my heart and I want to help and understand. Thank you.
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posted July 12, 2004 10:28 AM
I debated whether or not to answer your post. Your mother is one of those owners that I would like to put in a 4x6 cage for a couple of weeks or tie to a tree on a 10ft lead for a while.
It is likely she lost that many pups for a variety of reasons –
a) She should be over 2 years of age for breeding.
b) She should have had a proper whelping area set up so she could keep pups safe and warm. (At the end of rope doesn’t cut it)
c) Proper care & nutrition is a must during pregnancy as well as during birth. If she is inexperienced and no one is there to help her – the puppies are at risk.
d) Your mother isn’t experienced enough or a good enough dog owner.
I’m sure when Ellierat comes on line this afternoon she can provide you much more information.
Here are some things you can do now to make sure the few that are left make it. Set up a quiet room where she can lie down in peace to nurse them –preferably in a box she can easily get in & out of but the pups can’t. Increase the quantity and quality of food. Her body needs more nutrition (fat & calories). Make sure the puppies are properly cared for – you may need to hand feed if she isn’t. The puppies will need to be de-wormed at 2 weeks or may suffer permanent damage.
My advise to your mother would be to get this dog fixed as soon as she’s finish weaning the pups – put in a kennel run allowing the dog to have some kind of a life – or give her away to someone who wants a dog not just a lawn ornament.
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posted July 12, 2004 11:04 AM
It sounds to me like they suffocated to death. If she said the rest were in sacks, they are born that way, and the sack must be broken within minutes of being born or the pup will not survive. The other three must have ripped their sacks on the way out so they were able to breathe at birth.
You said they were born yesterday, but they will not nurse? Unfrotunately the chances of these pups surviving are smaller yet, because it is most important that the pups nurse in the first 24hrs to get the colostrum to help them fight disease or infection.
Since a pup cannot control it's own body temp., they must be maintained in an environment that is around 85 degrees F for at least the first week or two. They need to be indoors in a low traffic area. My recommendation is to get them inside, in a box as doglover said, and see if you can't get mom to nurse the pups. A heating pad or heat lamp should be in one area of the box to help keep the puppies warm. The only other option, and it would be a great undertaking, is to bottle feed the puppies an orphan b**** milk replacement and raise them that way. It would require feeding every two or three hours, and you would have to rub the pups genitals to stimulate defication. It would be alot of work.
Obviously this dog has some maternal instincts because she must have cleaned and stimulated the survivors, and chewed the chord on her own. It is possible that if she were moved into a warmer, more quite environment that she would be just fine.
Hope this helps, let us know what happens.
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posted July 12, 2004 12:31 PM
If will not nurse you will have to bottle feed them which is a lot of work and you should talk your mother into giving the dog to someone who will take care of her and give her the love and attention she deserves
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posted July 12, 2004 02:13 PM
Most maiden b i t ches need someone there to help, it can be a bit daunting for the new mum, all these puppies. Sgour is right the dead ones would have actually drowned in the fluid in the sacks. Mum would have handled the first 3 (your survivers), breaking the bag and cleaning them up, but by the time the rest came, which could have been too quick for her to handle, if it was consecutively, she would have been too busy delivering a pup, and not been able to clean the one just born.
Now there are other things your mum needs to know, first of all the care of the mum, she will need some extra food, but 3 pups on a big dog will not drag her back too much.
She will need a supplement of calcium or she may get whats called eclampsia...(and die from this).
She will also need to be wormed, do it when you do the puppies at 2 weeks.
She should also be checked by a vets to make sure all the afterbirths came out, some will be absorbed into the body and disposed in the normal course, you will notice she may have black poo. Some vets give an injection just to get these extra afterbirths out and make sure there are no more pups, so the VET is a must for this dog.
The pups, you have been given some good advise by others, Sgour has just been through this so she knows what to do, and Doglover knows all the nutrition facts.
I am very, very sorry for your dog, this kind of thing should never happen, she won't forget!!!!
Sorry I forgot the nursing part, the puppies are probably so cold they have gone into SHOCK, you will have to warm them up, hot water bottle, towel over the top, puppies on top, heater in background.
See if there is any milk in mums teats, just a gentle squeeze should see it come out.
When the pups have been on some warmth for half an hour or so, get a towel, place the towel over your hand, place the pup on your hand, get the left over towel and rub the pups back, this will stimulate it, what mum would normally do, it should have a wee and poo on the towel, and start to sqwark a bit. Now you are gonna have to squeeze a bit of milk out of a teat and place that pup right up to it so it can SMELL (cause thats the only instinct it is born with, it is blind and deaf now) the milk, it should now naturally search the nipple, do this one at a time with each puppy, if it won't suckle, try the towel again, or a bit more heat, but these pups must be stimulated and warmed to get them going.
You have about 12 hrs. max or they will die.
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posted July 12, 2004 04:11 PM
Thank you all for your advice. It has been quite a day. I went over to see the puppies around noonish. They were in teh garage with Ginger. Ginger was quite a ways away from the pups. The 3 were COVERED in flies. It was disgusting. I picked them up and took them into the porch. They were covered in this crusty yellow stuff that I assumed was the fluids from Ginger. I put them in a box and went and got some milk replacer from the vet. I went to try and feed them and when I picked one up and looked closer I realized that the crusty stuff was not from Ginger. It was thousands upon thousands of maggot eggs. So I spent about 2 hours getting these things off the pups. It was very hard. The eggs were in their ears, everywhere. Poor miserable things. They are very responsive. Moving a lot, whining. It has been very warm here so I think they are fine as far as being cold. They ate from the dropper pretty well. I am going over in a bit to try and get them to nurse off Ginger. Ginger needs to be washed first though, she's a mess. Covered in mud because it rained last night. She is staying in the garage and not eating and drinking a thing. I really think that she may be in mourning for her lost puppies. Maybe I'm silly but it sure seems that way. Thank you so much for the replies, they've helped so much. I will let you all know how the nursing goes.
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posted July 12, 2004 04:30 PM
Don't worry about washing mum, you have to get them puppies onto her now if you don't want to be stuck with feeding the pups which will need to be done every four hours, day and night. Get the pups onto her, spray some flyspray around to get rid of the flies, put them all together after that and get them on her teats, she will get mastitis if you don't, do it NOW.
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posted July 12, 2004 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by ellierat:
Don't worry about washing mum, you have to get them puppies onto her now if you don't want to be stuck with feeding the pups which will need to be done every four hours, day and night. Get the pups onto her, spray some flyspray around to get rid of the flies, put them all together after that and get them on her teats, she will get mastitis if you don't, do it NOW.
To get mum to eat, go get some puppy formula food, tin stuff from shop, warm it a little and offer it to her, also try some milk half half with warm water and some sugar in it, about a teaspoon full.
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posted July 12, 2004 05:38 PM
So sorry you are having to clean up your mom's mess. It just breaks my heart. Good for you for trying. Remember you can only do your best. Hope it works out.
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posted July 12, 2004 07:05 PM
Well we cleaned Ginger up, moved her into the porch and they're eating! It actually wasn't as easy as I just made it sound, lol. And the puppies have also went to the bathroom. When I left they were sleeping on their mommy. I loved seeing that. Ginger is SO SO skinny right now. I don't know if she was malnourished during her pregnancy or what. She drank a bunch of the puppy formula though. And she's eating again. So all seems well for now. Again, thanks for the advice. You guys helped me out tremendously.
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posted July 13, 2004 09:32 AM
if they didnt know she was pregnant i can understand why she could have been malnurished. I have 3 female dogs outside on chains 10' chains. i know i will get bashed for this, but unless something changes that is the way they will be. I do let them off to run for hours and hours so it isnt like they are on the chains 24/7. they are in a well shaded spot towhere they can get out of the sun at all parts of the day. It is hot down here so i keep a pretty good eye on them for dehydration and everything else. No my dogs are not spayed. i am going to get them spayed, i just have to wait for money to free up i have checked into the agencies that "help" get the spaying done, but they couldnt help me out. I want to do the best for my dogs, and i will it's just taking more time that i figured..
as far as you guys that say these people dont deserve to own a dog... if this dog being on a chain and having an unknown pregnancy is the worst that will happen to that dog, she's got it better than alot of others.. you should be picking on those who breed for fighting dogs, or beat their dogs to death or simply dont feed their dogs, or tie huge log chains around their dogs neck and let it get so tight their chain litterally grows into their necks.
If these people truely dont care for this dog, that is a different story, but like several of you guys the owners of this dog might have ran into some financial problems that caused them to putting off the spaying and other stuff (that is my problem anyways). My dogs get plenty of food and water and lots of love. they get played with daily and they get to run if not every day, then every other day.
feel free to "bash" me for being one of those "irresponsible" dog owners if you want, but till you live my shoes you'll never know. I am planning on buying a HUGE fence for my dogs soon if possible. so i can get them off those chains and get them into a more suitable environment. I dont like my dogs being on chains no more than the others, but my only other choice is to let them run free so they can go get shot at by other owners because they left my property. i'd rather know they are safe in my yard on a chain than to worry if they are gonna come home safe or be at home when i get off work. I'll be thrilled when i put up a dog proof fence so they can run and have fun, but until i can get back to work, that is the least of my problems... Luckly my dogs arent in heat. one of my pups just now reached the age she can be spayed, the other 2 are a yr old and will hopefully be spayed asap.
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posted July 13, 2004 10:18 AM
Carriecrowe – Boy you’ve opened yourself up for a lot of bashing with this post. Personally, I’ve been strapped for cash and was a single parent for a lot of years. During this time I didn’t own a dog because I couldn’t afford it. Which brings me to why do you have 3 dogs when it looks like you can’t afford one. Have all your dogs even received proper vaccinations?
a) A portable dog run for one dog costs around $300/ Canadian
b) A spay without Laser be around $300.00
c) Vaccinations for one dog around $250/yr
Dogs confined on leashes in the yard suffer emotional stress. It is less natural for them than a crate. If you told me they were in your house vs tied in the yard – I would respect that. At least then they would be protected from any male who wanders by, as well as other dangers. If they aren’t good enough to be in your house – why have them? It is certainly a cheaper option for you isn’t it?
What happens if one of them gets sick? Which agency will you go to then? Sorry to be harsh but are these dogs really better off with you instead of with families who have the resources to care for them. You state that two are 1 year old and one is about 6 months old. So you didn’t rescue adults out of the kindness of your heart.
What happens if the two older females get pregnant – they could? If you thought you couldn’t afford the spay, how can you afford decent pre&post-natal care for one or two females. You’re older females are even too young to have pups – what measures have you taken to safeguard them?
Let’s talk about people who breed dogs to fight – these people are sick. They think of animals as a commodity. Do you really compare yourself to them and go “See I’m better than that” or “at least I don’t beat them to death- therefore I’m a good pet owner”. I’m not an axe-murder – doesn’t mean I’m a saint.
Let’s discuss Ginger – here is a dog that is neglected. The owners haven’t paid her enough attention to notice she is with pups and needs their help. I applaud the person who is trying desperately to save the last three pups but have nothing but contempt for anyone who spends so little care and attention to their dog. This poor teenager was alone & scared and it cost her the lives of several of her pups. I don’t care if they had the money to feed her steak every night – money isn’t the issue – proper care is.
I don’t know you situation but do know that I have seen too many dogs that deserved better lives that what they got. I hope you consider moving your dogs indoors or putting up a kennel very very soon, as well as ensuring that all dogs are at least properly vaccinated and protected during their heats so no new puppies end up on your door step.
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posted July 13, 2004 11:24 AM
See my take on the situation is, if you don't have the money then why do you have dogs??? Just loving dogs and wanting them badly is not enough. You have to be able to give them a good quality of life as well. Yes, a lot of dogs have had it worse than Ginger but she could've had it better.
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posted July 13, 2004 11:50 AM
Andrea- you are doing the best that you can in this situation. You tried to get your mother to care for this dog. Unfortuante things can happen and you have to make the best of the situation. Thanks for being responsible enough to help mom and the puppies. Keep us posted on how everyone is doing!
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posted July 13, 2004 11:57 AM
Anyone who has ANY pet must first realize that there are costs involved. When someone goes to purchase a pet from a breeder or adopt from a shelter I find it hard to belive that they would think the cost and resposibility stops there. A dog that is outside 24/7 requires additional care in my opinion due to the higher risk of heartworm and exposure to other dogs who have been "who knows where". Carrie, in your situation, your dogs do not even have a fence to protect them. They are all tied closely together in an open yard. What if another dog comes wondering by, and your dogs defend their territory? What if a male comes by one of your unspayed females and she tries to run away while they are tied? What if they are impreganated? What if they are in heat at the same time and become territorial with eachother? If you are unable to cover the basic costs of having a pet, then what would you do in these situations where obvious immediate vet care would be required? I have the means and the space to care for my animals and I am not sure that I would be able to handle the responsibility of three permanent (I have pups now, but they will have homes in 7 wks) dogs.
And in Ginger's situation, not only did Andrea's mother tell her that she thought Ginger was pregnant, she apparently decided it was not necessary to take her to the vet to be sure. That is highly irresponsible. It is also irresponsible that someone else (Andrea) had to come in and clean up her mess, literally and figuratively. Puppies are a HUGE undertaking, and if you are not willing to fix your dog in order to prevent it, or willing to provide the proper pre and post-natal care since you decided not to fix your dogs, that too makes you an irresponsible pet owner.
The big picture here is not just that the dog was outside, I do know responsible pet owners who's dogs (or at least most of them) are outside, but in kennels, and they have ALL of the essential vet care to ensure thier health. Carrie if you can afford to feed three dogs, with the amount you must spend to feed all three, you could have spayed just one. You have obviously taken on a responsibility that you cannot handle and that is unfair to your animals. Loving them is not always enough. If you really loved them then you would be sure that they were in the best environment possible, and that all of their health needs are met.
In addition, an unspayed female that is not bred during her heat cycle is at a high risk for uterine cancer. Each heat that she is not bred increases that risk. There is also a great expense in caring for that as well.
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posted July 13, 2004 01:08 PM
ok, first off, they WILL be in a kennel as soon as i get back to WORK. i have had to take a week off and that was our next "goal" with our next free check is to start putting up a kennel big enough for all 3 dogs. YES my dogs are kept up health wise. if i HAVE to take them to the vet they go, but i dont have approx $130 to get just ONE dog spayed. not right now, not since i had to take a entire week off of work. my dogs are far from "emotionally devistated" from being on a chain. they get to run all the time i am home. i just dont let them run while i am at work. that is a whole 9 hrs a day. when i get home the first thing i do is set my dogs free to run and roam all they want as long as they stay in our yard. just for everyone's info i have tried to keep them as inside dogs. but with a house the size of ours it got to be impossible to keep them inside. we have a very small 2 bedroom house that barely fits 4 people let along 3 dogs on top of that, besides that they acted alot happier when they was outside and when we had them start staying outside they was alot happier than being confined in a house. trust me i wish my dogs would have been inside dogs i tried. if one of my dogs get sick they are taken to the vet right away. you guys make it sound like i make my dogs sit on a chain 24/7 when i dont, they do run free most of the time to be dogs i wouldnt have it any other way. the chains are light weight so it dont hurt their neck..
NO i'm not saying i am a better dog owner because i dont beat them or i dont raise them to be fighting dogs, my point with that said is their is worse out there. i am in no way,shape, or form better or worse than anyone else out there.
and as far as rescueing older dogs, all of my dogs found me in one way or another, with angel i about ran over her with my car and when i stopped to check if i hit her or not, the owner came out of her house and asked if i wanted one and i took angel, she has been my side by side companion since that day... Freedom was an abandoned 5 wk old puppy when i got her, i met the couple that rescued her at the vets office because i had to take angel in for her vaccines and a check up that day (how ironic), and with precious it was either they found her a new home or the owner was gonna put a bullet in her head because she was out of an unwanted litter. IF my females get pregnant, i will make sure they get the best care possible. so dont worry your little head bout that. i plan on having them spayed before their next heat cycle anyways (which isnt due till later this year) and like i said precious just now turned old enough to get spayed.. no vets around here will spay before 6 mos. as far as the question of what if they both come in heat at the same time and get territorial to each other, i have 4 acres i am sure i can seperate them. my dogs have never fought each other. and if that day comes i will know what to do and how to handle it. as far as what if another dog comes around i always have atleast one stray dog coming by here. one of which is our neighbors dog, as long as my neighbors dog dont try to attack my kids i have no problems, as far as how my dogs act with her around my dogs play with her all the time. i love my dogs, i give my dogs very good care, they get fed accordingly, and they get to run free AS LONG AS IM HOME. yes i know loving a dog isnt enough, and if i absolutely couldnt afford my dogs i would let them go to another home immediately. but just because i run into a hiccup in my life i'm not gonna give up my dogs... we all come to some sort of financial difficulties (ok those of us who live in the real world anyways) once in awhile and this is my time of difficulty because i havent worked in a week that means i will go a week without a check, which means OUCHY. we have started working on a plan for a fence for the dogs we know how and where we are gonna put it and how big it is going to be. REMEMBER the fence might be small, but they have 4 acres to run freely!!!!!!!
as far as Ginger, im sorry i read that wrong i read it as they didnt know till after she delivered the puppies that she was pregnant.. if she knew the dog was pregnant and just didnt give her proper care, yes that is irresponsible.. and i too applaud andrea for saving those puppies lives. i'm sorry the mommy lost 7 of her pups, that is sad.
actually here is a quote from andrea:::
"Yesterday Mom says Ginger is sick, she threw up. She said she thinks she may be pregnant. Oh I was so mad because she is so young So today I see my Mom and she said Ginger had puppies."
ok this is where i read that she didnt know she was pregnant... maybe i just mis interpreted it or something.
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posted July 13, 2004 01:23 PM
Really she didn't have time to take her to the vet to find out if she was pregnant before she had the puppies. But my feelings are that you should know your dog well enough to know if she is pregnant or not sooner than a day before she gives birth. Maybe it's hard to tell but I would think there would be a noticeable weight gain with 10 puppies.
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posted July 13, 2004 02:10 PM
Andrea, it sounds like you care a lot more about these dogs than your mom does...is there any possibility you can adopt them from her? The part about the flies and eggs and evrything absoloutly killed me, and I'm sure it was even harder to handle for you. PLEASE convice your mom to give these dogs to a better home!
My dog is also on a leash part of the day, but it's a rather long leash, and we should be getting a fence very soon (not a money issue...we just live in a neighboordhood where they're paying for the fence, and building it. It should be done by the end of the month). She spends a lot of time inside with us, and gets a few walks a day. But we also have her spayed, are always watching her, spend tons of time with her inside or outside, let her offleash to play with other dogs, feed her properly, take her to the vet all the time (nothing wrong with her, but we take her when our friend's dog goes, so we can make sure every thing is okay). I tink I noticed you were giving Precious away? If so, I was just wanting to know if she was houstrained and how far you were willing to drive to give her away? I'm DEFINENTLY not promising anything (and prolly cannot), but if you can give me that information, I'll be in new mexico at the end of the month, if that's near where you live at all. Huh...now I can't seem to find that post..was it ever in existence or am I just imagining things?
I wish all the luck in the world to ginger! I hope she and her puppies survive, and go to a better place where they will be well loved, and spayed/neutered.
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posted July 13, 2004 02:58 PM
Andrea,I'm so sorry about all this. I hope everything works out with the puppies & the mom. YOU make sure those puppies get a good home when they are 8 weeks old.I think if it was up to your mom about those pups she would chain them up & they would be treated the same way as the mom.If you can try to talk some sense into your mom about this situation.If she wants to continue treating the mom that way,try to find the mom a good home also.She deserves better than that.I'm so sorry that you are stuck with your mother's problem & irresponsibilty.
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posted July 13, 2004 03:47 PM
I feel that Anrea did an excellent job in such extreme circumstances, anyone have any idea how much is involved to get the pups and mum sorted out and then to get them suckling.
They were covered in maggots, even the best of us would have had to have a dry wretch at that.
Then Andrea had no experience in whelping, the dog wasn't hers, but she made the effort, took the time to CARE.
Andrea, thumbs up for you, you did well, and I was releived when you posted that all was well.
I was quite worried for you, mum(ginger) and puppies. A good outcome all round.
Cheers Ellierat.
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posted July 13, 2004 04:08 PM
Agreed... three cheers.. one for each pup
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posted July 13, 2004 05:06 PM
One of the puppies have died. The mom is not feeding them, doesn't want to be near them and my mom is not making sure they are fed the puppy formula so they are here with me. She put them outside and they yet again got maggot eggs on them. Not as bad but that was something I never wanted to go through again. My concern is keeping them warm. I'm putting them in an unused room that the air conditioner doesn't hit but I need more. I am not near a store to get a heating lamp, will be able to tomorrow.
ELLIERAT...how do I do the water bottle you were talking about? Just put hot water in a bottle and put it in their box? Is it that simple?
Please pray for these puppies if that's something you do. I can't take it if they die.
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posted July 13, 2004 05:22 PM
Unfortunately it is only a temporary measure to warm them for a short while, they will not be able to get onto it when unsupervised.
I would say mum has decided she wants them where she had tried to make her nest, and will keep putting them back there, and won't settle while she has access to that spot.
Get a small box, size of bottle, place remaining two in there to warm up now.
You are going to have to shut mum in, you will only need to do it till she has decided it is ok with YOUR nest, maybe a day or two.
Feed her in there too. The pups will have to go back on her once warmed up, mum will settle in the end, but you will have to supervise for a while I'm afraid.
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posted July 13, 2004 05:24 PM
Have you got an ordinary bedside lamp, you can remove the shade, place it in the room above the pups, it is suprising the amount of heat it gives off.
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posted July 14, 2004 07:31 AM
Chiming in late.
Andrea how we doing today? For the 2 remaining
(i think thats how i understand this) Are they taking formula? You might have to boost them with perhaps some sugar water to build a little strength in them.
Ellierat is correct, a lamp hung overhead is a great way to keep them warm. If you ultimately have to hand feed them the bottles should be warmed to their body temp.
As mentioned earlier, mom needs attention now too. Please get her to the vet as soon as you are able.
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