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sambucca/whiskey
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posted July 13, 2004 06:35 PM
Well the outcome is not good from his behaviour modification spec. He has extreme anxiety issues.
Temporarily I can give him amytrypiline, but he needs serios traning I cant even get too, and costs about 800 dollars, and there is still no gaurantee, so I am left considering a rescue that specializes in dogs with aggression issues. He was also named a high risk biter biter, although soft mouthed(less danger of damage)safer to work with, but they said his high level of obedience was a plus.
This still pains me like crazy but we went over everything from birth till now, and she said he was born a genetic mess? And they said I did everything right for a mentally stable puppy.
So the question is what should I do they also brought up euthanasia as he cant go to the average dog owner as they said they would make a total mess of him.
So if it were you, and you were me what would you do?
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posted July 13, 2004 06:55 PM
For my piece of mind, i'd put him down. You never know what kind of people will get him or what he would do. Everytime you heard about a dog attacking someone - the old brain would start working. Why didn't you vet say something before you spent all that money on neutering, etc.
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posted July 13, 2004 07:09 PM
Precisley why I changed vets this was the new one, and a spec. We were both crying in the end with a group hug.
Thanks I think that might be the end result for piece of mind but I may see if i can buy a happy month or two with meds, should i see about having him put down at home/ outside where he is happier or is it better to do it in the vet office?
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posted July 13, 2004 07:28 PM
sam... check your pm....
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posted July 13, 2004 07:29 PM
I had T'Pau my german shepart put down at my vet's office. He put a blanket down on the floor and I held her when the needle went in. It was so quick - I almost changed my mind even though she was very sick. She just went limp. There was no mess or anything disgusting.
I lost it (of course) and the staff left us in there with her as long as we needed. I made arrangements with vet a long time in advance. Plus I had her cremated and she's in a special box in the dog's room.
I fully understand about waiting a couple months. Take as much time as you need - you can even look around at those rescue societies but I think as soon as he's separated from you - he would be unsavable.
My deepest sympathies that this hasn't worked out for you. You have worked so hard and tried so many things, you deserve a happy ending. I'm so sorry we can't fix this for you.
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posted July 13, 2004 07:41 PM
weimlover0816 nothing there maybe there is a lag.
Dog lover I thought of the unsavable part too, I am waiting to hear back from her so maybe she can tell me her opinion on that from seeing him, he did look too me before displaying anything towars her but she told me to give him the ok so she could see what he would do.
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posted July 13, 2004 08:14 PM
sam, weird... it said on my profile that you read it... anyway, here is what I wrote (it was a few days back... before I knew you were considering having him put down....):
"hey there. It sucks that you have to consider re-homing whiskey, i feel so bad for you. You said you were a 21 year old single female, and that must make it even harder. (I am 23 and have a husband, and Roslynd is still quite a handful!!!)
Have you considered e-collar training to deal with his aggression. A lot of times, under the advice and guidance of a trainer who is versed in the use of e-collars, it can be a miracle. We use on for Roslynd, not for aggression, but for hunting and her own safety when we are playing in the yard. She tends not to listen to the "come" command when she is more interested in something else.
Anyway, something else to think about, probably less expensive than sending him away to a boot camp... and this is something you could be directly involved in.
Good luck to you I wish you well!!"
I would take it as a good sign that they say he is highly obedient... You love him, and that is what counts. It may take a while, but there is potential to work through this, right???
[ July 13, 2004, 08:31 PM: Message edited by: weimlover0816 ]
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posted July 13, 2004 08:30 PM
Ahh yes, I thought you meant a new one lol. I did question that but they said any force or pain could result in him lashing out as it is already a case of anxiety.
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posted July 13, 2004 08:34 PM
Were these people experienced with e-collars, though? It's not really "pain"... I tried it on myself, feels a little like getting snapped with an elastic. It's like a reminder. You said he was submissive with the muzzle on, but miserable.
Do you really think it is to the point where he needs to be put down.... I think I would exhaust all options before coming to that conclusion. I know how hard it is going to be for you...
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posted July 13, 2004 08:40 PM
I hope that everything changes for you Sam. ![[Frown]](frown.gif) I'm so sorry about Whiskey.He sounds like such a great dog,& You love him so much.I totally agree with Weimlover on exhausting all options before deciding to put him down.That may be one of the hardest things we dog-people have to deal with;deciding whether or not to put or dogs down.If my Rotti's legs don't quit bothering her she may need to be put down.
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posted July 13, 2004 08:50 PM
Well after more research on amitrypiline and elavil same product dont know if i mentioned I take it when I get migraines constantly, I think I will use it to try to desensitize him to the things that get him going.
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posted July 13, 2004 09:02 PM
Really, try all options before putting him down. My older dog, Daisy, is aggressive, and anyone else would ahve put her to sleep, but over the years we've really made some progress with her...she still growls and barks, but never bites. It's been about 6 years since I've gotten her. But since Whiskey is a puppy still, it should be MUCH easier to train him to be a friendlier dog. My puppy is actually being a tad aggressive right now...what I'd call rough-playing, but other people don't get it. So we're holding her every time a person walks by, and telling her what a good girl she is whenever she doesn't bark or growl. She's such a sweet puppy.
But don't put him to sleep until you've exausted all other options.
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posted July 13, 2004 09:12 PM
Thankyou for the pep talk it really seems I should take the meds again lol. It is so wierd being in this position i really do jump from one decision to the other within minutes. the highs and lowas are horrible.
However the recue I was talking about has contacted me they are willing to work with me and Whiskey(FREE!!) and if I cant get through it with him they are willing to still help in rehoming him or taking him in it is a no kill, but anyways wish me luck they are so positive they are alos putting me in contact with teh cattle dog recue.
Thank god for nice people like all of YOU and the rescue organizations. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted July 14, 2004 07:56 PM
Wow what a difference in opinion. I got to have like 2hr discussion with the rescue lady she is coming out in the next couple days, with a trainer, to make an assesment, give guidance and support in trying to work through ALL of Whiskeys isues.
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posted July 14, 2004 08:00 PM
So happy to hear that!!! I really think all Whiskey needs is a little training... I know you have trained him, I mean training mentally... you know what I mean...
I'll stop babbling now and go to sleep!! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Oh, and I also want to say how proud I am of YOU for trying so hard for this little guy, a lot of people would have given up!!
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posted July 14, 2004 08:04 PM
Yeah you should ahve heard the joy in her voice that I was willing with hands on help to try and work through it.
I cant believe they will come to my house ,assess my dog, help with training all the WAY. For no financial gain just to keep him from being a dog looking for a home or worst.
I GUESS THATS WHAT RESCUES ARE ALL ABOUT.
She also said as the vet did give me a very grim picture she would be 100% honest good or bad, but he sounds like a norm for his breeds, that needs alot of training and guidance.
Oh yeah and she said he may just be a really BIG BRAT!!!
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posted July 14, 2004 08:07 PM
LOL
He sure looks like a spoiled brat to me
Congrats!!
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posted July 14, 2004 08:15 PM
This makes my day. Here I was thinking you were making peace with him for the big sleep. I sure hope these people can help you.
Keep us informed.
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posted July 14, 2004 08:44 PM
This is good news, very hopeful indeed.
One thing I have said to you in pm's, and I'll say it now on the open forum, You have had him from a pup, he knows you, he is now a teenager, he is trying it on, YOU have to show him big time that YOU are the ALPHA.
So maybe he is a bit of a mixed breed, maybe he does have some inherited anxiety problems, but he has no reason to be afraid of you, and you shouldn't be afraid to correct him, IE: feel sorry for his behaviour.
You don't have to be cruel, but you will need to be VERY FIRM, FORCEFUL, AND DOMINANT. You don't want him to be afraid, just to respect you.
I hope all goes well with the Rescue people, and so lucky that you don't have to pay, what a break for the two of you.
Hugs to you and Whiskey.
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posted July 15, 2004 05:39 AM
Thank you all I am feeling very good about all of this now and cant wait to hear what she has to say.
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