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Conanthe Brabarian
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posted April 21, 2004 12:37 PM
Hey everyone! Need some help with Conan again. He 11 weeks, still a baby, but his nipping is getting worse! We ignore him when he nipps, but when we go back to him he still does it. He is not responding at all. My boyfriend has a lot of children in his family, and we have been trying to socialize him with them, but we have to watch him every minute. The kids love him! It happens when he's really excited, mostly. I just worry because even at 11 weeks he is as big as some of the kids, and he will be HUGE very soon. Help please! ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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DaxAriel's toy
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posted April 21, 2004 01:38 PM
This is what my husband does & it works. When Conan nipps grasp him firmly by the bottom jaw - hold tight but don't squeeze too hard - make eye contact and firmly say NO (like you mean it). It's uncomfortable. What I do is cry (like it hurts like nothing else) OW. Then I sulk. Ariel at 3.5 months (14 weeks)really controls herself now.
If it is nipping at pants or shoe laces, stop moving - look down say NO firmly. If he doesn't listen - grab collar move him a foot away - SAY No or Bad, continue walking. When he is behaving reward with "good boy".
You need to teach the kids some basics
1) Stand your ground don't run
2) if you are holding food - toy or other - throw that in opposite direction you are going.
3) Firmly say NO - stand as tall as you can & meet eye contact.
Teach Conan that it is good manners to sit as soon as he comes to you or a stranger.
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Conanthe Brabarian
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posted April 21, 2004 01:45 PM
thanks again doglover! Those are some of the methods we have tried, we will keep working with him. I think maybe part of the problem is that we are not being firm enough, not ignoring him long enough (he has a way of making us feel sooo guilty, but Im sure you can relate! ![[Wink]](wink.gif) )We will keep you posted!
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ellierat
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posted April 21, 2004 03:37 PM
Hi Conan, your softness now, will be your undoing later, you MUST be very firm with this, don't look at his eyes then you won't feel sorry for him.
Using the nose is a great idea, it is very very sensitive, and works!! I push my pups away by their nose and Yell!! when they nip, if they come back for more, I pick them up and place them in the sin bin for 5 minutes, that is either a room or crate with no human contact. Give him an alternative chew toy or bone. It will take time, don't expect it to stop in a couple of days it can take a few weeks.
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posted April 24, 2004 04:34 PM
I had a situation similar to yours. The only difference is my dog wasn't nipping but showing unpreditable signs of aggression. And it was something that was out of the blue. Over all he was very playful and good with the kids.
Then one day at 7 months he bit my daughter in the face for kissing him while he was asleep. Now mind you we had already been doing all the other stuff people mentioned. (he gave her a warning and she did it again) then he bit her
We had an animal behaviorist come in and evaluate him and she agreed that we could work with him and my daughter.
He was fine until yesterday! He was the poster dog for a perfect pet. Very playful, house broken, does tricks. We all sat down for dinner and he had taken a banana peel out of the garbage and went under the table. My daughter accidently kicked him and he bit her. He really hurt her thinking she was trying to take the peel.
I had to give the dog back to the humane society today and it was the hardest thing I ever had to do. He's a very good dog but I couldn't take any more chances with him and my daughter.
Now we're hoping they place him in a home without kids. He has to be evaluated for 10 days.
My advice is get him professional help before someone really gets hurts.
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posted April 28, 2004 01:13 PM
Children are likely to not help a nipping dog. More likely, they will be at the receiving end of the nipping. Start with basic obedience and work from that foundation.
The book "Good Owners, Great Dogs" by Brian Kilcommons is a good one to read for taking charge over nipping. As always, check with your vet also.
One hint here that has helped me quite a bit is to take the lower jaw of my 'Honey Bee' and hold it with thumb in the center inside and make the gesture while saying 'No Bite.' Her eyes get big and she stops and thinks "hmm... this is no fun." Timing and methods can vary from dog to dog, so stay with it and be patient. Resist retribution to the dog and use consistent common sense in your approach. It will pay off.
[ May 06, 2004, 10:00 AM: Message edited by: Ken Nielsen ]
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posted May 15, 2004 08:13 PM
Hello everyone!This is my first time on this forum and i was wondering if you had any tips on how to get my 8 month old puppy from constantly bitting and nipping! Sometimes she does it just for play, but other times she will lay down next to you and begin chewing n your hand! How can i make her stop all the bitting!
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doggielover95
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posted May 15, 2004 08:22 PM
Doggielover again. About the whole bitting thing. I mentioned that my pup bites when she is playing, and also for no reason, but i wanted to add she also bites when she is excited. (im sure this is a common problem) we have tried to ignore her and tell her to sit when she is excited but she never listens! Another problem is when we have guests walk through the door. she always jumps and scratches, and alot of times our guests ask us to pick up the dog before they even walk in the door, because they are scared!
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posted May 15, 2004 08:42 PM
Do you have a "working breed" like lab, german sherpard or rotti? These dogs love to mouth things including hands, feet, elbows, etc.
My dogs have grown out of it on their own but it can be a nuisance in the first year. I don't even try to get them not to anymore but make sure the control their bite. Sometimes I sit with Ariel on the floor with my thumb in her mouth just behind her incisors. I give her other things to chew on including bones, rope toys, kongs, etc. As long as she is in control, I let it go. If she bites too hard, or won't stop when given the command - she get a time out in her crate.
You should work on having her site when people come to the door. Then ignore her until you introduce them properly put a leash on her as soon as the door bell rings so you are in control. If she gets too excited, put her in another room and try again in 1/2 hour.
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posted May 15, 2004 10:22 PM
Doglover, thank you very much for your reply, and to answer you quesion I have a poodle. she is such a sweetheart but she is soooo hyper! me and my family always say her cuteness saves her from all punishment! she is definately a handful! Well, once again thank you for the reply and i hope to hear more responses from you soon! ~Doggielover95~
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posted May 16, 2004 04:36 PM
Doggielover, you need to correct the behaviour NOW, some grow out of it, some don't, and can actually go from play biting to actually breaking the skin.
First of all set up a sin bin, a place where she can be put out of sight and contact for short periods of time.
Next when she goes to put her mouth anywhere near your person, or articles you don't want mouthed, give a loud NO, clap your hands, or get a rolled up newspaper and bash it on the floor or table, pick her up and place her in the sin bin for 10 minutes. Don't go near her. Then let her out and repeat everytime she does it.
When you get a knock on your door, put her in the sin bin, let your visitors in, then let her out, if she jumps up, do the same as for mouthing.
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posted May 16, 2004 04:53 PM
"Doggielover, you need to correct the behaviour NOW"
You misunderstand - she is not bitting but mouthing. From all my sources - very common in Rotti's. Since I will have to stick my hand in her mouth routinely for cleaning, etc. your idea won't work. She definately knows the difference between play, affection and aggression (at 4 months). The later gets her time in her crate. The first is controlled - the second encouraged.
I routinely massage her mouth roof, tongue and the sides.
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ellierat
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posted May 16, 2004 05:11 PM
Doglover, I meant the message for Doggilover, what you are doing is entirely different, I do that with my Sophie, she never tries to put her teeth down on my hand, she just loves the massage too. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted May 16, 2004 05:22 PM
Sorry - the names are so close. I agree that a 10 month old poddle should be nipping at all. I would definately put her on a leash when the door bell rings and make her sit by your side. If she won't settle - putting her in another room for 10-30 minutes is good but don't get in the habit of putting her away all the time. Dogs get excited by visitors because (I believe) they think the visitor is their for them.
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posted June 03, 2004 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by doglover:
What I do is cry (like it hurts like nothing else) OW. Then I sulk.
This is what I did w/ our boxer. The sulking part has to include ignoring them. Ouch! You hurt me, now I don't want to play.
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