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Topic: My bull terrier keeps attacking my daughter..help!
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curt
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posted December 26, 2003 08:41 AM
my three year old bull terrier keeps attacking my 10 year old daughter. this started about 2 months ago. all his life she has been around him and they have been fine, but all of a sudden he will start attacking her. i really dont no what to do any more if i carries on he will have to be put down which i really dont want. iv asked the vet and a dog theropist and they suggested castrated, but his no different. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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posted December 26, 2003 10:55 AM
i'm sorry, i know im new here and you may not like what i have to say, but i will be forward and say it anyways... personally if i were you, the dog would have been dead 2 months ago when this all started.. one of these times your daughter isnt going to be so lucky. it sounds like you truely care for your dog and everything, but he is dangerous and he can and will kill your daughter im actually amazed she isnt already seriously hurt or even dead. i know you love your dog, but you need to sit down and consider who means more to you... the dog or your daughter...
that is honestly just my opinion, i would have done shot that dog in a heartbeat.. i know if either of my 2 dogs EVER even think of threatening my kids, i will put a bullet in their heads and end it there... that's just the way i was raised..
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posted December 26, 2003 11:07 AM
Okay, just for clarification, what exactly is he doing? Also, why hasn't he been neutered before. IMO, it's not an option not to have it done unless you have a prize winning show animal that will better the breed.
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posted December 26, 2003 11:39 AM
I agree with carriecrowe - the day one of my dogs bites ANYONE is its last day on this earth, whether its a tiny nip that barely draws blood or a really aggressive bite - if they mean it and are not just getting a bit carried away playing -that dog wont live to see another sunrise, especially if there is a child involved. Castrating the dog wont help they need to be done BEFORE they turn 1 yr at the VERY latest so they dont develop the behaviour patterns of an entire dog in the first place.
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posted December 26, 2003 07:32 PM
neva eva eva eva leave a child alone with a dog no matter what ive seen the sweetest dogs just have enough of kids and try to attack them even though the day be4 it seemed that the dog would die for them
and i disagree with lou and carriecrowe sometimes it isnt the dogs fault and they shouldnt be killed for it. if a human killed someone they would not be killed for it (well most wouldnt) and it is there fault but when i dog does something little comparred to killing someone most of them time it was a human that brought this behavour on
plz plz plz dont kill this dog if he isnt good with children give or sell him to someone that doesnt have kids and knows about this problem and is willing to do something to help it
good luck
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posted December 26, 2003 08:53 PM
I am sorry but if your dog attacked your child put it down immediatly before you have a dead child. any dog that attacks its own child should be put down. i would kill any of my dogs if they ever went after a kid . put it down now before it is too late. get another puppy and train it right no getting on the bed,or furniture this causes a dog to challenge pack order. and put it on its back nightly and have your daughter do the same. dogs are great if raised right and treated like a dog and well bred to begin with. But this dog is no longer protecting your family it is threating it.put it down or give it to someone with no kids and well aware of the biting.
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carriecrowe
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posted December 26, 2003 10:53 PM
curt: i must say the lord is obviously watching over your little girl. She is VERY lucky to still be alive. I dont know what you mean by "ATTACKING" your little girl, to me attacking means biting and trying to KILL her.. Please Specify what YOU mean by attacking.. i have personally seen a colie turn on a 2 yr old little boy, the little boy was out playing in the yard and the dog ran up and grabbed the child by the FACE and tossed him around like a ragdoll... i also seen this dog attack (bring down) 2 newborn colts.. by attack i mean the dog grabbed the colts by the throat and drug them to the ground.. it only takes a second for someone to get killed by this dog, whether it is an adult or a child.. How would you feel if you got rid of your dog to someone who was aware of the biting and the dog turned around and attacked that new owner? i mean there you are looking for a lawsuit. and in the world today, it is more than likely that the purchaser would win in an heartbeat. i dont personally know of ANYONE who would take a dog that had a biting habit unless they was going to use it as a fighting dog (which leads to a worse case senerio). Please keep us informed on what you decide to do, i know it is a hard decision, but when push comes to shove, what are you gonna do?
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posted December 26, 2003 10:57 PM
Yes, I'm under the impression that she means something different by attack than I would mean. There's biting, which can be fixed, but in this situation I wouldn't take the chance. Then there's attacking, which as you said, is looking for blood. You also have to look at the reason he's doing it. If he's just doing it, there's no question in my mind, the dog is put to sleep. If the child is provoking him, then I might possibly look into retraining.
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posted December 27, 2003 08:26 AM
I feel I have to respond to this one. First I will tell you I have been training and reconditioning abused or visious dogs for 12 years. So I know what I am talking about in a situation where a dog is acting agressive. In fact in my own home with my own 5 year old daughter I have a doberman cross who was used as a pit fighter. When she was 3 1/2 a rottie got into her yard and got her pregnant so the next time the owner went out to beat her she deffended herself. He stated to the pound that this had never happened before. He ended up in the hospital with 60 staples. She was handed over to the pound and luckily he ended up in jail. They were scheduled to put her down as soon as a home was found for all the pups. No one could even enter her kennel. To feed her they had to release her outside then put the food in then bring her back in. I went in to see her the day she was scheduled to be put down. The pound knew how good I was with these types of dogs so they told me her story. I immediately went over to her kennel and entered it. She sat right at my feet and wagged her tail. You see she was owned by a single man so she only hated men. Not women or children. I convinced then to let me have her for 6 months to try and recondition her. My daughter was only 3 months old at the time. For the first while the dog was always muzzled around my daughter. I kennel trained her, taught her commands and never let her get away with anything. When the 6 months were up the man who ran the pound could wrestle with her. She is now 10 and my dearest friend. I have trained her to be my inhome service dog. Because of her back ground in all those years I have never left her tied out alone and never left her alone with children. She on the other hand knows close to a 100 commands. Everyone comments on how wonderful she is. My point is there are people who can help these animals. Not all can be helped but most can. In the hands of a good behaviorist this dog could have a chance to be helped. Find a rescue that deals with these poor animals. They retrained them and recondition them and then place them in homes that are ready and prepared to put in the extra work.
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posted December 27, 2003 08:38 AM
I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no gaurentee that this dog can be placed in a home that has no children, or has no access to children. My son also was attacked by a dog and thankfully the owners put him down before I had the chance to. There are instances where dogs are provoked, ad there are instances where they aren't. If this dog has been raised with your daughter, I would lean towards a psychological problem with him/her. Also, I had a lab mix that we had for 3 years, she started to get very aggressive towards my kids and the neighbor children, we took her to the vet as a last resort and had a full work up done on her, turned out that she had a brain tumor. We had her put down. It was devastating, but at least we had some answers to why she was acting strangely, in my son's case, the dog that attacked him was found free of any disease, tumors, cancer, etc, when they did the necropsy. That is still one puzzle that will never be solved as to why he attacked my son. I think that you are in a very frustrating situation and I feel for you. You can gather all opinions and advice you want here, but in the end it is up to you to make the ultimate decision. I can not in good faith place an aggressive dog in a home for *re-conditioning*. There is no garuantee that the dog will never attack, bite, or show aggressiveness towards any other child. That is just me and my opinions though. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted December 27, 2003 11:30 PM
OH gosh this is a tough one. Seems like everyone has their own opinions. Although personally, I wouldn't kill the dog. I'd send it to a pound or something, what right do you have to take a life? even if its just a dog. ![[Mad]](mad.gif) Otherwise if you're gonna sell it, make sure you alert the new owners of this problem
Curt hasn't replied to all these replies, i wonder what does he think? do let us know what you're going to do about this. Also, i think everyone wants to know what you mean by attack... Good luck!
p.s have you tried a muzzel?
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posted December 28, 2003 02:10 AM
has anyone heard of that guy who put all these people on a boat a left them to die there was hundreds of them and they all died and the guy the only spending around 15yrs in jail and u want to kill a dog for hurting someone sorry but i feel this is very two faced. plus we made this animal totlly derpended on us most dogs would die in the wild and by doing this we made our selves responsiable for them now where just goin to turn around and say sorry ur not good enough 4 me bi. i realise they hurt something u love very much but is death really the answer?
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posted December 28, 2003 04:55 AM
it's not whether the dog is good enough or not.. how would curt feel if his little girl got killed by this dog? it only takes a split second for a major artery to get torn or for that dog to rip his little girls face off. i mean that is common sense. i'm sorry, but when a dog takes it's first bite it is hard telling what that dog can do.. i mean it goes from being "nice little poochy" for 3 years then BAM out of the blue it starts attacking his little girl (which it was raised with). im sorry but if any of my dogs EVER bites anyone, i will waste a bullet on them. i have 2 little kids and i will NEVER take a chance on them getting hurt.. my dogs have been raised with my kids too, and they have NEVER even attempted to show agression towards my kids and they better never even try. it takes a split second for "playing" to turn deadly.. they are dogs they have teeth, and no matter how nice and cuddly poochy is, they can bite. when push comes to shove i dont risk my kids for nothing.. i love my dogs dearly, but NOTHING comes before my kids well being and safety.
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posted December 28, 2003 05:55 PM
I'm curious why the dog started doing this out of the blue. Usually, there's a cause for this sort of thing, and I'd be looking for that before I decided to put the dog down.
The first message almost makes it sound like the dog is trying to mount the girl, rather than biting her. I could be wrong, but that did cross my mind. I can't imagine that any dog owner would allow their animal to bite attack their child more than once. If this is the case, there may be ways to deal with the problem.
If the dog is biting the child, and a cause cannot be found and dealt with, the dog must be put down. It's unfair, and in most places illegal, to give away or sell a vicious dog. I just read in the paper that prior owners can be held legally liable if a dog they sold or gave away attacks someone.
Giving the dog to the pound will not help the dog. It will most likely end up dead. Taking a biting dog to the pound will only save you the money and time of having a vet put it down. At that point, it's not about the dog, it's about you.
I think before anybody can offer advice in this situation, we need to know exactly how the dog is 'attacking' the girl. Different actions would indicate different solutions.
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posted December 29, 2003 01:54 AM
i understand that the dog may hurt or even kill her but when he/she brought home a dog/puppy she brought home the good and bad if u cant handle the bad when it comes and it does overtake the good plz just go no i dont want a dog and get something else.
and bout giving or sellin a dog with a problem is this still illegal if u tell the preson
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posted December 29, 2003 04:47 AM
not illegal but very irresponsible. Personally i think their is a level where you have to say right thats it. Taking the good with the bad with dogs means persevering when they are difficult to housetrain or have problems with other dogs, or health problems. It doesnt mean keeping a dog that is dangerous. The best thing to do with a dog that is a known biter is destroy it. its a safety issue. I had a dog destroyed last year, she bit my twin brother when he went near her feed bowl. It was quite a nasty bite and Gary needed 5 stitches. lace had never been agressive over food before and i was there at the time so i know she was not provoked. She had to go much as i hated to lose her i had no choice, keeping a dog that bites is thoroughly irresponsible and just plain stupid.
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posted December 30, 2003 12:22 AM
I spoke with n insurance agent when we were having trouble with our last dog (he bit a couple dogs and people). If you give a dog that has a history of biting to someone - and even if you tell them everything about his history - you can still be held liable for any damage the dog does - even if he's not in your possession anymore. We had to put our little angel down after he bit 2 dogs and the niehgbor. And these weren't bites - they were full on attacks. It was the hardest thing I've ever had to do - but I couldn't stand to see him hurt anyone else.
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posted December 30, 2003 05:58 AM
ya know this may sound like a stupid question, but some of you are like "who are we to choose to take a life" and all that other bull **** , i mean if that dog takes that childs life WHO gave that dog the "right" to take it? i mean you guys are so high and mighty on "save the poor doggie" it isnt funny, shoot the **** dog and get it overwith.. i mean i would much rather loose a dog than a child, get real people it is a dog that has REPEATEDLY attacked a CHILD... either some of you arent parents to an actual human child and think "oh that poor puppy, how horrible" when their may possibly be a childs life in stake here.. i dont care how much someone loves their "poochy" if it turns aggressive, that is the end of it... my kids can go up to either of my dogs and do absolutely ANYTHING to them and they just lay there and let them do what they want to, i limit what they do with my dogs especailly angel(she is as big as my kids), but my dogs have NEVER attempted to harm the girls.. if they ever did, they would be shot in the head right then and there. becca my youngest daughter can go and lay down ON TOP OF freedom, and freedom will roll from side to side taking becca right along with her, it is actually a funny sight. i mess and kinda tug at about every part of their body and they dont do anything vicious. i dont tug hard, but i give it just a little "yank" if you wish.. my kids mess with their ears all the time, they mess even with their noses.. and my pups have been raised with my kids... now you tell me why it is my dogs can be "tormented" to the end and they dont even threaten, but this other dog is litterally attacking this child out of the blue, and you guys are yelling "save the puppy". ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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posted December 30, 2003 07:24 PM
- If a dog attack a child, no matter what reason, it would be shot in the head right then and there. -
But if a person attack or curley abused animals,
Will he/she get shot in the head ? or it is o.k.
it is acceptable.
Of course animals attack is a serious matter. I'm a mother and I live in a village where children run around free.
But when your guys mentioned "shoot, kill ...." it just sounds like it is daily routin. Scary !
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posted December 31, 2003 09:08 AM
If a dog attacks a child you cant lock it up in jail or ask it to pay huge fines - or have any garuntee it can be stopped form happening again. Attacking and biting with dogs is an instinctual behaviour that once developed is very difficult to get rid of. With people its a concious choice and therefore there are other methods of punishment. People that commit murder are still awarded the death penalty in many countries, a dog with such severe behavioural problems that it will bite ANYONE for ANY REASON is dangerous, and may well kil someone one day, and unless it can be retrained by someone who professionally reconditions dangerous and aggressive dogs it should be destroyed - it should certainly never be allowed out of the house or around children without a muzzle on even if it is taken on by a professional behaviourist.
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posted December 31, 2003 03:14 PM
"this other dog is litterally attacking this child out of the blue, and you guys are yelling "save the puppy"."
i havent heard anything about what he/she mean about "attacking"
and no-one can really garuntee that fines and jail will help humans but they still do it and truthly (call me an idiot) but i really dont see why u should kill the dog especially since no-one really knows whats going on but has still given that kind of advise
but if u havent already killed the dog make sure it has a mussle on at all time except 4 eating times but i would tie him up while he his eating
good luck with ur decision
p.s i wont post anything else on this subject
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posted December 31, 2003 04:08 PM
"Attacking"? In what sense? Some child might think Freckles was "attacking" when she is just so happy and excited she is over exhuberant in her greeting... but, when you are eye level it can be intmidating to a child and cause for a frightened reaction. It is the responsibility of the owner to prevent this from happening, regardless of the dog's intent. I have a 3 1/2 year old nephew that keeps his distance until Freckles is settled. He has two dogs in his home, and knows to say sit and down.... and he has learned to say it firmly and by golly, Freckles minds him! But, we don't just let her loose on him until the first excitement of his visit wears off. It is just common sense to realize how you would feel coming eyeball to eyeball with teeth and a sloppy wet tongue! A puppy's teeth can be especially sharp and be hurtful when no hurt is intended. We have to be responsible for our dog just as we would be for our child... it is up to us to set the boundaries. I adhere to the English lady who wrote the book "No Bad Dogs". ("Just ignorant owners"). And, we all fall into that category at one time or another in our experience with our pals. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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posted January 01, 2004 11:23 AM
exuberant greetings are one thing - and the appropriate response in that case is some serious training, and if you dont have time to do that rehoming.
But attacking to me means growling and/or snapping and/or biting if the dog does this - especially around children - it should be destroyed.
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posted January 06, 2004 04:12 PM
Anyone crying "save the doggie* has not had to sit in the ER while their son was getting 50 some odd stitches in his face, thank you to the American Bulldog that did that to my boy, may he RIP...
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posted January 06, 2004 07:49 PM
Cody, i am sooooo sorry to hear about your little boy... my deepest sympathies go out to you and your family.
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