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Aliqu
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posted May 20, 2004 02:10 AM
I have read a lot of posts on this forum on different kinds of topics. The reason why I am posting this topic is because of the total different “understanding” of dogs in America and the UK (where most of the people on this forum reside) and where I live.
You speak constantly of neutering/spaying dogs.
Here, most of the dogs are fenced in, so the chances of your dog being pregnant by someone else’s dog are minimal and your dog won’t impregnate another dog so easily. If you have a male and female, that changes the scenario a bit but still, it’s not that big an issue here.
Taking your animals to the vet is important and getting their shots are equally important.
Here, a trip to the vet for most of the people is non-existing! Shots aren’t done so often either, if ever!
If you don’t have a purebred dog or did not trace back the ancestors of your dogs to waaay back, don’t let them get pregnant, etc.
Where I live, nobody cares if your dog is a purebred, who his ancestors was and what his mother and father looks like. The only people who really care about purebreds are the people that breed them. And let me tell you, over here they are really very expensive and there aren’t all that many good breeders in any case, I mean the kind that check if your home, family, other pets will be a suitable place for the pup, sign a contract with you and all the important stuff.
You also speak of k9 good citizen and make sure your dog is good behaved and socialized, check that he doesn’t attack strangers.
Here we WANT our dogs to be aggressive, we WANT them to attack strangers because you can be sure, if someone’s in your yard, he is there to cause trouble and steal all your belongings. Also, nobody really has an open yard here anymore; the crime is much too high to have such a thing as “openness”. We would put a cage around ourselves if that would have helped! And yes, it is really that bad in some places over here! And no, I am not a pessimist, my eyes and ears are just wide open.
You also speak a lot about good nutrition and a healthy balanced diet.
Also not so popular over here! Good dog food is only obtainable from the vets (and the variety is not that wide) and are really very expensive. Also a trip to the vet to get the food is usually too much trouble.
What I am trying to say is just this. It is so great to have a forum like this to be more aware of things. It is great to see that animals and their upbringing can be so important and vital in some places. I could only hope that the same awareness will come here some day!
And there are people here that is “aware”, we just aren’t that many.
It is not the animal that is behaving badly; it is the human that is uneducated.
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charlene1
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posted May 20, 2004 03:42 AM
where do you live, only i'm a bit confused?
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Aliqu
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posted May 20, 2004 04:15 AM
Hi Charlene,
I was only trying to make a point, not asking for anyone to pinpoint my location. The point being that this is a great forum with a lot of support, friendship and most of all a huge love for our furry friends. I don’t think that it really matters where I am from.
As for your confusion, you have me confused now! (lol) ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) Maybe if you be more specific, I can clear up your confusion. If it is only about my location, well, like I said, I don’t think it’s really relevant ![[Wink]](wink.gif) .
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posted May 20, 2004 06:17 AM
It's amazing how other places can be so different then the US.
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posted May 20, 2004 06:27 AM
1. Neutering animals -we don't eat the excess puppies that might be why, Just kidding. Fences, etc. It only takes one animal to get out of a fence for a short periods of time to end up with a litter. There are also the behaviorable/medical problems that go alone with keeping animals intake. It's good practice to ensure a healthy population.
2. Sorry for you that you don't have good quality food availble. Maybe you could open up a pet store and offer (and may educate)to others
3. Guard dogs have a specific job that they do. Most animals will defend their owners & territory if needed. You certainly don't need to ABUSE them by subjecting them to what results to physicological abuse (hours alone, etc)
200 - 300 hundred years ago everyone treated thier dogs like you describe. I'm glad that in many countries this has changed. If you are a dog owner - you can start the change where you live.
PS I don't understand your interest in this forum as we must seem like total crackers to spend this much time and effort on animals.
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Aliqu
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posted May 20, 2004 06:48 AM
Hi Doglover
Firstly, I know why we need to neuter dogs, we do have good quality food, just not a very wide variety and I don’t like people who abuse their dogs and train them to attack anything that are moving. Like I wrote to Charlene, I was trying to make a point here. What I wrote is just the way things are over here for the most part of the population.
Secondly, if you read my post you would have understood why I have interests in this forum and I will quote myself:
“What I am trying to say is just this. It is so great to have a forum like this to be more aware of things. It is great to see that animals and their upbringing can be so important and vital in some places. I could only hope that the same awareness will come here some day!”
Not anywhere in my post did I say that this was how I was treating my dogs.
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posted May 20, 2004 07:07 AM
That's great. Sorry but I was kinda turned off by your post. There are still people here that don't neuter or care for their animals either. Just makes the little hairs on the back of my next stand up. Too emotional Sorry.
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Aliqu
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posted May 20, 2004 11:06 PM
Hi Doglover,
That's okay; I feel the same way about this. It's just the way people were brought up generation after generation I guess. Generally, the people here are also very stubborn, so, change comes very slowly! When I was a kid, I used to walk through the neighbourhood and stop at each house with a dog to chat and pet the dog for a while, even played a bit with those that were not fenced in. At that stage I thought they needed the attention! I get attached to animals very quickly, love animals more than people actually! Guess my death will be by a dog someday, I’m just not scared enough of them, luckily none has bite me thus far!
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posted May 21, 2004 09:43 AM
Well, I at least have to guess where you are, based on the facts that you have given, just because I'm curious and not because it's so important like you say: Taiwan?
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posted May 21, 2004 11:05 PM
Aliqu, how sad that you live in such a place that does not regard all living things as precious. It must be very frustrating and upsetting to see and hear of people treating our animal friends in such ways. I can only hope that they treat their children with respect and love and don't lower themselves to such cruelty, as their animal companions.
Where you live? Don't be ashamed, if not that, then afraid, it is not your fault, noone is trying to zero in on you, but maybe if we did know we could all 1000 of us on this forum help you with your war against cruelty to animals.
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Chocolab
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posted May 22, 2004 07:26 AM
Why Taiwan???!!!
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posted May 22, 2004 08:44 PM
Actually you could be from rural Alberta. Unfortuately, even here on my street there are people who don't treat their animals correctly. Some live their entire lives in a 50 square foot yard, never receiving more attention than what it takes to feed them. They eat the least expensive dog food and/or table s*****, with the owners never caring if it is good for them. I met a man today who told me he can housetrain any dog in 2 days. He says he does it by following them around with a rolled up newspaper. I leave the rest to your imagination. I still think people like many of those on this forum are the minority. It makes me sad.
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Aliqu
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posted May 23, 2004 11:59 PM
I live in a country where all people were treated as equals only recently. Just imagine how long still before people would actually start to think about animals more than just something to kick and kill for fun! Look, I am NOT saying that every single person here is like that. I guess there are always people like that everywhere. For me who love animals very much, I just notice these things a lot more.
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