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Beacious
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posted June 21, 2004 10:15 AM
Have any of you guys ever heard of a Short-Haired Border Collie? Somebody brought a dog to Pack Rat, and when I asked what kind of dog it was she said it was a short-haired Border Collie. I am really interested in getting one. Can you help?
Thanks, Beacious.
[ June 21, 2004, 10:16 AM: Message edited by: Beacious ]
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posted June 21, 2004 10:43 AM
Yes I have heard of them. THey are the same as a border collie, the only difference being the coat.
Border collies are VERY intelligent dogs, but require several hours of exercise, and really are more suited as a working dog. If they do not have some type of "job" they may become destructive. They can sometimes use their intelligence to manipulate their owners.
I would do some research on these dogs before purchasing one. If you do not have the facilities for this breed (i.e. large fenced yard, plenty of time to spend with it) then I wouldn't recommend this breed for you.
Hope this helps.
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posted June 21, 2004 03:16 PM
beacious a border collie is not for you. Border collies come in long haired or short haired varieties. There are no other differences in the two and you can get long and short haired pups from b.itches of any coat length - its like black and yellow labradors.
Border collies are not for amateurs, you must have previous experience handling and training border collies before you consider getting one of your own. They need two walks a day of a minimum 1 hour each and on top of that they MUST have a proper working environment. Collies are suitable for flyball, agility, competitive obediance, herding, drug detecting, pretty much everything really except being "ordinary" pets. They are also not good dogs for children.
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posted June 22, 2004 03:01 AM
There is are smooth coat Border Collies and rough coated border collies.
A couple of things both these posters said were right. However, may I say that Beacious has said in another post that she's 13. I wouldn't recommend them to people with young children. This is because of their herding instinct. However I also don't recommend any child try to raise a dog. So I say get a rescue.
Yes they need alot of exercise but it is more important that they have a job to do. To keep their minds active. A minimum of one hour x 2 walks is not necessary but they must be kept busy with other things to do. They still need to be walked at least an hour.
They do need a well fenced yard and supervision as they have been known to scale 6 foot fences and don't forget they will dig under them if they really want out. But if you keep it busy it won't get bored therefore won't want out. lol
After saying all this though, if you are really determined to get a border collie I would suggest looking at getting a rescue. Most rescue shelters will see what dog is suited to you and your lifestyle.
Believe me. Any puppy can be hard work and needs alot of training. However Border Collies are very intelligent and in the wrong hands can get the better of you. You will be in school most of the day, so whos going to be there to train it. If I couldn't be there for my border collie I wouldn't of got one. Talk to someone at a rescue shelter. Find one that specifically have border collies.
I am a dog trainer. And at times I need time out from my Border Collie pup. LOL
Search for Border Collies online. Get your hands on some books read them carefully. Talk to border collie owners. All the information you need before you decide.
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posted June 22, 2004 05:32 AM
Wah, why has this breed become so popular?
Can someone explain to me why the **** this breed is so popular?
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posted June 22, 2004 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by MadnessBunny:
Wah, why has this breed become so popular?
Can someone explain to me why the **** this breed is so popular?
Border Collies are rightfully popular because they are the perfect dog. They are ridiculously clever, easy to train, eager to please, very loving, good with other animals and not in the least bit food obsessed (see another post by me re: labradors)and most of all, very loyal. but I admit - they can be hard work. As long as you're prepared to play with and exercise him/her you will have 15 years of laughs, fulfillment and general happiness.
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posted June 22, 2004 12:34 PM
they are also dominant, terrible with children, liable to have issues with other dogs, terribly easy to ruin, very quick to pick up bad habits, liable to be snappy, can be very wary with strangers. etc etc
Dont get me wrong, my family have 3 border collies between them and i love them, i will one day have one - when i have a JOB for them to do. They are the perfect WORKING dog. They are far from the ideal pet for the amateur.
Lou
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Beacious
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posted June 22, 2004 01:51 PM
I have talked to some people and found out I don't want to get one. I still don't know what kind of dog I want but I'm leaning towards a Golden.
Thanks, Beacious.
BTW: I'm A BOY.
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posted June 22, 2004 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by MadnessBunny:
Wah, why has this breed become so popular?
Can someone explain to me why the **** this breed is so popular?
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They are also a popular breed in shelters. Why?
People often get a border collie because they think of its intelligence. That maybe it will be the most easy dog to train. But quite often the breed is so intelligent that it will out smart the owner.
Also people think of it as the most friendly dog. However, it is very friendly, to its owners They are very loyal and loving. Towards strangers they are weary. They aren't lap dogs. They won't just sit with you in the house for cuddles all day. They need something to do to keep their minds busy. Or they will start to find their own things to keep themselves occupied. Such as digging. Getting out of the yard for a wander. Chewing, Chasing things (cars, children, small animals.) Don't get me wrong they love to cuddle. But won't sit around all day at your feet.
So the border collie is popular. But alot of owners discover that they can't handle the intelligence of the border collie. Because they have to be kept busy, alot of owners can't cope.
Perhaps the dog snapped at someone in the street that came too close. Its not the lovable easy going dog that they thought they would get. So the dog will often be left tied up in a backyard to keep it out of trouble. Or passed on to a shelter.
This doesn't just happen to Border Collies either. People get the wrong views about a breed. Perhaps they have seen something on T.V that have made them want to get one. I always suggest that before any one gets a certain breed of dog they talk to owners and reputable breeders of the breed. Read books. Join forums. And talk to people that work in shelters.
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posted June 22, 2004 05:20 PM
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Perhaps the dog snapped at someone in the street that came too close. Its not the lovable easy going dog that they thought they would get.
Funny you mentioned this my german shepard/collie/blue heeler started this a week or two ago now I am worried about bringing him out on the street, any idea how to solve this it is mostly at men?
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posted June 22, 2004 07:36 PM
Wow. Same problem as my Blaze. (Border Collie) Although he hasn't snapped, he does bark.
How old is your dog? Blaze is 5 months old. He's had alot of socialising but still doesn't like men. I think this may be due to the fact that when i socialize him mainly children and women will come over to talk to him. Not men.
Can you think of any thing that has happened that would of put him off men?
You say your worried about brining him out on the street, so you must get a bit tense when you are walking him now. You need to relax. Or your dog will sense you are tense and think something is wrong.
If your dogs not in obedience start him now.
Get the men at the class to ignore your dog, for the first few weeks. Then ask them if they will start giving your dog treats. If your dogs still young its pretty easy.
Also get some men you know to work with you in a quiet area on a street or park, get them to walk around at a distance from your dog. Each day the man can move closer to your dog. And even throw treats to your dog. When you can get your dog close enough to the man get the man to crouch down and offer treats to your dog out of his hand. Try different locations, different walks. The hardest thing about this is finding men to help. But if you get into a good obedience club, you'll be surprised how many men will help out. Keep walking your dog and if your really worried get him a head collar. This way you can keep control of your dogs head. You must remember not to tense up or tighten the leash. If you happen to walk past a man just keep walking. Ignore your dog. Don't talk to it at all. If he behaves nicely past the man then reward your dog. Ignore any bad behaviour. Reward the good. Keep a pocket full of treats on your walks.
If your dogs still a puppy it could be just going through a shy stage.
Blaze is getting better. He will always like his personal space when it comes to men. But he is learning that if he walks past them without reacting then he'll get a treat.
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posted June 22, 2004 07:40 PM
It's probably you. He's reading your body langueage and/or scent. You are probably wary of strange men and he picks that up. You could try reassuring him simply with a firm pat on this side and "that's OK".
Ariel's at the same stage now (men with bags of garbage who look suspicious) get hair up - short gruff and clear indication that "I'M WATCHING YOU" She continues to respond to commands but you can sure see the protectin part of her breeding coming out. With your's it the shepard/collie.
If it bothers you - get some male friends that she doesn't know to practice "greeting" - namely coming up to you and talking - ignore her completely until 1-2 minutes then they get greet her.
I don't mind Ariels protective nature as long as she learns that I control her. The pat on the side tells her that I'm not mad at her - she's ok - but I as the pack leader say we don't attack. You'll need to see what works for you but don't make them submissive to strangers.
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posted June 22, 2004 08:17 PM
Well he will be 6mths the end of this month, if they are at a distance he will bark but when we walk he lunges and growls? I am trying to socialize him AGAIN slowly he never showed ths toward anything except bikes, skateboards and I had already been working on that, I am waiting to hear from the trainer hoping she has another class I can attned soon, he is basic trained but when this hapens he is oblivious. He is fine with men he knows, I was not warry when this happend it was an older man about 50? and I hadnt even really noticed him before.
I dont really know many men he doesnt know but am going to try to slowly bring him back out with treats and hoping for the best at a safe distance of course.
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posted June 22, 2004 08:59 PM
I read in my rotti book that this is quite normal where they suddenly become scared of objects that held no fear for them when they were little. Period starts about now and goes to 1 year.
I have ordered a couple of books online that I should have by this coming weekend - one is called "surviving your dogs' adolence"
If I find anything useful in these about this situation, I'll be sure to post right away. The best any of us can do is keep plugging away at those behaviours that we don't like. Chin up & don't give up.
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posted June 23, 2004 01:10 AM
Well I would say he's going through a stage unless something has happened. If you can, try keep up with obedience classes. And do what I have advised in the way of treating the good behaviour, ignoring the bad. The adolesence stage is a hard one. But if you keep up with his training you should get it under control. The idea is to start getting him to focus on you. If he realises you are giving him treats for good behaviour he will start to look at you whenever someone walks past. Keep us posted. It may take a while. It helps to talk to others through that stage. A bit like parenting. lol
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posted June 23, 2004 01:21 AM
Very true, It does help. I was in such disbelief the first time. Nothing has happpened to him, I am 21 single female so he is always with me or locked up tight at home, unfortunatley we havent ventured far latley neuter and dew claw removal and now he is having complications with the dews ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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posted June 23, 2004 02:18 AM
My aunt's border collie almost killed me when I was 6. It was a nice dog, but it was really bad with kids. I think border collies are like.. THE WORST breed for children.
There's a theory about why they dont get along with kids. In theory, they think that children are sheep, or cattle, and they try to herd them up to one place, but when the kids dont go where they want them to, they bite them, like they would a stubborn sheep.
Maybe someone already said this. I didn't read the whole thread, sorry.
MadnessBunny
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posted June 23, 2004 07:09 AM
I think Aussies are a better choice than border collies. An aussie has the intelligence but not the intensity of a border collie.
On the thread about the 'breed selector' I was shocked to see that Aussies were pegged as 'submissive', but after thinking about it,I realized that 'submissive' didn't really mean cowering in the corner-but more willing to accept me as the alpha dog in the house.
Aussies are eager to please, very active, and smart. A great dog for someone who has the time to give them. No small children in our house-but I know that any herding dog (wait-ALL dogs) should be watched carefully around kids.
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posted June 23, 2004 10:50 PM
Madnessbunny, I actually completely agree withyou that borders are the worst dogs for children...the only other dogs I really think of as thatbad for children are siberian huskies (I'm kinda biased cause I was attacked by one when I was little), and chow chows.
But yeah, aussies are WONDERFUL dogs, IMO. Active, yes, but they are wonderfully intelligent and friendly. I'd actually suggest them to you Beaucious. But good luck with whatever you get!
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