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Topic: This MIGHT sound crazy, but...
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dogluvr
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posted July 09, 2004 09:00 AM
In about 8 more years, I want to make a new dog breed using:
Doberman Pinschers
German Shepherds
Alaskan Malamutes
Mastiffs
Boxers
Great Danes
Saint Bernards
Pit Bulls
Akitas
Irish Wolfhounds
Golden/Lab mixes
Great Pyrenees
Giant Schnauzers
Collies
Border Collies
Belgian Malinois
Weimeraners
Bloodhounds
Rhodesian Ridgebacks
Beaucerons,
and Fila Brasileros.
I don't know what to call it, though. Does that all sound possible?
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DaxAriel's toy
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posted July 09, 2004 09:16 AM
It exists - it's called A MUTT.
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mojo
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posted July 09, 2004 09:45 AM
i had one of those when i was little. we called it cujo.
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dogluvr
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posted July 09, 2004 10:46 AM
It won't exist til years, and I'm going to call it something, but I don't know what. I'm serious about it. Oh yeah, Cujo is a WILD dog off of a movie. But anyways, people should know that ALL purebred dogs are mutts in a way!
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posted July 09, 2004 11:09 AM
I think you’re nuts. You have 21 breeds listed. You should have two of each just to create two litters with all the breeds that could be mated to each other and hopefully reproduce the standard that you are looking for. Then to mix and match in order to provide a broad enough genetic base to ensure a healthy population – and no guaranteeds with this many dogs what the end result will even look like. Then your new mix has to be able to reproduce true – pups looking like the originals not coming out as mixes.
What do you plan to do with all the pups that don’t meet your breeding requirements? The pure breed mutts as you call them, some of them took hundreds of years of professional breeding to get to the point that there are at.
Do you have any idea how many dogs you will end up having & having to find homes for.
I thought you were joking --- ha ha . If you’re not, shame on you. Do you even know which traits from the 21 pure breeds you want to incorporate into your new dog or is this just a Frankenstein dog.
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ellierat
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posted July 09, 2004 12:50 PM
Your right, it does sound crazy, and if you try this you would have to be crazy, cause now you have turned your posts from good interesting subjects to something quite silly.
When you first joined I thought here is a nice person, with some good points, now I'm just wondering if you are joking or serious.
The possibilites deserve no comment, I take the post for what it is, STUPID!!!
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dogluvr
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posted July 10, 2004 08:39 AM
You think what you think but I know what I know, I'm not crazy. I wasn't SURE if I was going to breed different dogs to make that breed or not. I WANT to, but you never know! You might think that I'm not nice, but it's you who should control your thought about me-because you don't know me very well yet! I just came to this forum a few days ago. I just came here to chat about dogs. Just because I want to make a new breed doesn't mean it's going to happen or it's not possible! I was going to try to breed two different breeds, breed those puppies when they're older to another breed, and so on! I was also going to try to find them homes by putting them in classified ads, giving them away to my family, and having my own website on the internet about my breeding program!
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dogluvr
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posted July 10, 2004 08:41 AM
Then again, I'm serious but you never know if I'll be able to do it or not! But then, anything's possible! Don't blame me on bad things for my hope!
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posted July 10, 2004 09:02 AM
This is irresponsible and a hazard!!! "YOU KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW" good luck finding good homes for 120 puppies or more.
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dogluvr
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posted July 10, 2004 09:26 AM
Not like you would actually care, BUT YOU SURE ARE ACTING LIKE IT!!! What an insult!! Some people just don't like to think about a main subject! I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL HAPPEN OR NOT!! This is also getting ridiculous! Trying to argue back and forth about 1 little POSSIBLE subject! I DON'T CARE WHAT you say, but I'm not responding to anything like this anymore!
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posted July 10, 2004 09:37 AM
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Not like you would actually care, BUT YOU SURE ARE ACTING LIKE IT!!!
????? Care about you or the puppies (you - not. puppies -YES) . First of all - if you're serious about creating a new breed why don't you tell us the STANDARD you want this breed to be. As for answering posts - all your posts have been about "WHICH IS BETTER..." You own two dogs now, you're short about 19 so I don't think you'll ever be able to create a recognizable breed in my lifetime. You sound very very very young and we are trying to give you some advise before you screw up the lives of hundreds of puppies.
PS. You can always delete this topic if you're sick of it.
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dogluvr
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posted July 10, 2004 10:32 AM
Here's A message from a friend of mine: i think the dog thing is cool and you should RESPECT that
From Savannah Jane Sheets
P.S. I hate you and your CRAZY and this isn't much but it means alot! ![[Flaming Mad]](graemlins/flamingmad.gif) ![[Mad]](mad.gif) ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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posted July 10, 2004 11:02 AM
Hitler had followers too!. History shows that lots of crazy people with insane ideas had people who thought they were right. Respect is something that is earned though act and attitude.
This is a forum for the love and care of dogs.
And I don't give a flying fig whether you hate me or not. I'm not your friend or your mother. I am offering you my opinion on the subject that you started. If you don't like - tough nuggies.
[ July 10, 2004, 11:06 AM: Message edited by: doglover ]
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posted July 10, 2004 01:04 PM
oooooooooooooooooooooook
that would be one mean dog. not to mention big. their would be alot of work involved. Whether you are serious or not that is your deal. NO im not supporting you and NO im not argueing with you bout this. YES you do seem young, and yes i would be worried bout all of those dogs/puppies that you couldnt find homes for.
everyone has a right to dream or to think of ideas no matter how dumb or brilliant they might seem to others.
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ellierat
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posted July 10, 2004 02:44 PM
Actions speak louder than words.
NO COMMENT!!!
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posted July 10, 2004 08:06 PM
Just a quick question...htat's a lot of different dogs of different types. You;'ve got shepherds, retrievers, etc, etc. What would be the purpose of this breed? What would it be used for? Why THESE specific different breeds (other than them all being "cool" or something)?Another breed is not really needed...there seems to be a dog for nearly every purpose. I have my dreams about breeding, too, but only with dogs that are already breeds (argentian mastiffs, actually). This is a little crazy, yknow? Just think about all the dogs it would take...all the puppies that would be born as MUTTS. You couldn't charge much for these first couple hundred dogs...maybe $50 a piece. How would you afford this breeding program? What would you do with all the adults after they gave you the litter you wanted? They certainly wouldn't be needed anymore, so would you keep them? You'd be overrun with dogs in no time, unles you got rid of them. And hten, what's the point of having a dog if you aren't going to love it and have it as your lifelong companion? Look at the breeders on this forum...they love their dogs, each and every one of them. Ellierat is completely in love with Ellie, with good reason, but she has the time for her dogs, and isn't overrun with them, so she can make that wonderful connection that makes having dogs such a beautiful thing. And you NEED that, otherwise, you are just another puppy mill...and hat's what this sounds like it would be. Cages filled with dogs just there to have puppies to make your breed. Wonderful life, eh? And then what if you can't afford them anymore?
I know you probably aren't going to do it (I made up breeds like this when I was younger), but if you really are seriously thinking about it, REALLY think about it. No one wants another puppy mill.
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Barbara Smith
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posted July 10, 2004 08:09 PM
I think it's darn rediculous! Who affected your brain? Sounds as though it had a bad accident!
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posted July 10, 2004 08:27 PM
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Ellierat is completely in love with Ellie, with good reason, but she has the time for her dogs, and isn't overrun with them, so she can make that wonderful connection that makes having dogs such a beautiful thing.
And if I remeber correctly Wally was returned with open arms.
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bobbyboy
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posted July 11, 2004 12:47 PM
seeking attention i think.
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Shane
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posted July 11, 2004 07:54 PM
Ok, I will try to be a little more "understanding" about your idea, and avoid the common sense factor here.
However, I do have a few questions to ask, and a few statements to give.
First of all, out of pure curiosity, what exactly is your purpose for doing this mix breeding? Is there a certain type of dog that will serve a specific purpose which you are trying to "create"? What did you base your list on? Were there specific qualities in each one of the dogs in your list, that you were intentionally looking for? What would your new breed of dog be good for/at? Hunting,obidience,fighting,strength,protection,rescue,loyalty,etc...etc...? Since I don't see any real pattern in the list of dogs you came up with, I'm curious to know exactly how you came up with it.
What type of research or experience do you have in breeding dogs? How much do you know about the genes that will be passed from one breed to the other, and have you looked into, or atleast considered the science of it? Such as DOMINANT TRAITS? Which breed of dog will pass on exactly what dominant trait, onto what breed of dog? For example, something as simple as hair color,or size,weight,head shape,eye setting,muzzle length etc... You do realize that just because you personally LIKE a certain trait in a certain dog, that the chances of that particular trait being passed on isn't very high? Right?
Dog breeds dont come about just from someone deciding to mix breed a bunch of different dogs together that they personally like, to eventually come up with one dog, that has a trait of each, ( which could be called the perfect dog I suppose)
And last but not least, lets say, you breed a boxer and a colie to start off with... Now you have a puppy that is 50/50. In order to make JUST that particular dog (evolve) into an actual breed, you would have to continue breeding boxers and colies, until you had enough puppies of different blood lines, to then begin breeding the 50/50 dogs with boxers, and colies, back and forth over and over and over, until you managed to come up with a gene that was dominant enough to be passed on to another breed of dog, which in theory would actually no longer be a 50/50 breed, but a breed of its own. AND THEN start with dog # 3, do the same process over again,breeding dog # 3, with your NEW breed of dog. Which by the way, recreating a dominant gene would take many many years and hundreds, if not thousands, of dogs. And thats just trying to get 2 genes from two breeds of dogs, to recreate themselves and become one Dominant enough to be passed on without change.
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ellierat
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posted July 11, 2004 08:17 PM
Good points there Shane, I know for one, she would have a color problem with her Gold/Lab mix, cause for starters we are just talking about the color genetics in another topic, also if she knew about breeds, there is no such thing as a Golden Lab, they are Yellow.
Three colors, Yellow, Black, Chocolate only.
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posted July 11, 2004 08:41 PM
Hey is this what happened with my puppy? lol. Sorry butI have a German Shepard/Collie/Blue heeler and these people obviously new nothing as I had bought a German Shepard/Collie no mention of blue heeler and this was my first dog. He is 100% dominant to the pint I have to see a behaviorist at 6mths to see if he is salvagable. Are you going to be willing to take dogs like this back because no matter the out come this is costing me a fortune.
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posted July 12, 2004 02:38 PM
Dogluvr I see you may have gone, but a note for you, seen as your interested in genetics.
Go to my post of EVERYONE MEET SALLY, you try and guess, because this is a good example of genetic twists within the breed.
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Shane
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posted July 12, 2004 06:21 PM
Perfect example ellierat, of just how complicated these things get.
LoL, I had to re-read this post again just to see how silly it really was..
dogluvr - If you're taking special request for genetic mutation; I have a really "EASY" one for you. And you'll ONLY need 2 breeds to make it happen! I want a WHITE rottweiler, with brown markings. See what you can come up with for me. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted July 12, 2004 06:31 PM
I have a mutation requst too. A rotti that doesn't shed. Like a poodle but have all the current rotti standards.
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