Breeding White Boxers

[Maxine]

Wow interesting. Sharky have you read this stuff? Just did a search on White Boxers on Google. Seems to be a lot more articles also...
Information on White Boxers

The White Pages - for white boxer dogs & their owners

May I ask what health clearances have you done on Sharky? I don't find her name on the OFA site at all. And since I am new maybe you could tell who the father is and what health clearances and titles he might have?
Just curious...

P.S. Why would you take NON-REFUNDABLE deposits on puppies in a litter of which some could possibly be deaf?

[Rusty-Buck]

ummm it sounds to me that you are trying to make Sharky look bad. I'm sure that Sharky has done her research before breeding. In any color boxer litter there is a possibility of there being some health problems in the pups, not just white boxers so are you saying that no pup should come with a non-refundable deposit? Just because a boxer is white doesn't mean that it will be deaf. Any pup has the possibility so why are you picking on Sharky? I think that it is Sharky's buisness on how she breeds her dogs, informing her is one thing but it sure seems that you have something against her breeding her white boxer. Do you even know the right name to look up on the OFA site? Just wondering, because it sure seems like you are going after Sharky just because she bred her white boxer. Sharky really cares about her dogs, and I'm sure she knew all about this before she even thought about breeding her dog. It seems like you are just trying to make Sharky look bad in this post. Just my opinion

[RoughCollies]

While I do agree that breeding whites is a risky thing, I also understand that with proper genetic testing and knowledge of this type of breeding, you can have a healthy, sound litter. I wouldn't accuse Sharky of not testing the dog. I would pm the person with those questions, rather than post them on the open forums, but that is JMO. I agree that whites are risky, but if you claim that Sharky needs to read more info about this type of breeding, then maybe you should get more info on the litter before posting this on the open forum. I simply think that questioning the ethics of one breeder should be done to that breeder, not to the forums.

[Blaze]

Sharky knows what she is doing and I don't think it is any of your business.
She has had health clearances done but I don't think she should have to explain herself to you either.

If you want to know then PM her but I don't understand why you must know, it does sound like you are trying to cause trouble.

Anyone putting a deposit on White Boxers (or any Boxers actually, as around 20% of Boxer are born white anyway!) should know that there is a possibility of the puppy being deaf and therefore making the deposits non-refundable should not be a problem. And there is nothing to say that they will be deaf either, Sharky is selling her white ones to pet quality homes and it would make no difference in any case.
It is actually a good idea, only people who are serious about wanting one will put their name down.

Why are you looking her up on the OFA website anyway? That shouldn't be your concern.

Tiffani is a good breeder and a good person, she cares about her dogs and puppies and she has done a great job so far, she has their best interests in mind. So I don't know how you could post something like that without getting negative responses.

It just seems to me that you are trying to attack her!! But we don't want to hear it.

[Rip's Girl]

I don't understand why everyone goes on the defensive side when things like this are mentioned. From the sound of it, Sharky is a responsible breeder and most likely has done at least the minimal health tests (OFA hips, elbows, heart.. ) So, why wouldn't she explain it? I'm not trying to bash anyone at all, but I don't understand why it is some secret thing now, if the person in question has nothing to hide. I'd have no problem taking a few minutes to explain the health tests that my dog has had. It's no big secret what tests my dog has had done (none to date, but I'm not breeding him, just clearing his hips and elbows and getting extensive x-rays done before he starts hard work) and it shouldn't be, especially if you are breeding the dog. And people look up names on credible websites like OFA if they want to see a certain dog's results. It has nothing to do with prying, simply curiosity.

I am curious about the same things Maxine has mentioned. I do not want to stir up trouble by asking, nor is it my intent to get people all worked up, but I'm just wondering. What is wrong with that?

[Blaze]

I may have read it wrong but it seems to me like Maxine has a personal grudge against Sharky, go back and read her previous posts and you might notice it.

It isn't anyone else's business what tests she got done, she would tell us if she wanted to and she probably doesn't have a problem with it but it sounds to me as if Maxine is accusing her of not having done any. This statement suggests it: "May I ask what health clearances have you done on Sharky? I don't find her name on the OFA site at all."

And her last question comes across as rude too. Why does it matter if she has non-refundable deposits? That isn't our business either.

I don't see why she couldn't have sent Sharky a PM and given her the option of telling the board. We should all be entitled to privacy here and I just took that particular post to be rude. It's just my opinion though.

[mara]

None of my business really and I'll likely get a negative response but I believe this might be in retaliation to NicoleJ's situation.

[lovemelovemedog]

Originally Posted by mara

None of my business really and I'll likely get a negative response but I believe this might be in retaliation to NicoleJ's situation.

I totally agree. Everyone here is to share and learn. Not to be attacked. And to me it does sound like you are attacking her. You may have a problem with Tiff personally and I think that should be dealt with in pms not on the open forum.

Lillys owner hit it on the head, if you have questions about who she bred her bitch to and what tests she took, pm her and ask, dont try to make her look silly on the board (not that you are Tiff ). I believe Tiff is a responsable breeder who wants only what is best for her dogs.

She is not a puppy farmer and she has stated in her puppy thread that she wants to keep at least two of the pups. So to me she does care what she breeds her bitch to.

If she wasnt a responsable breeder would she keep any of them at all? I dont think so.

[rutylr]

May I ask what health clearances have you done on Sharky?I don't find her name on the OFA site at all.

and since I am new maybe you could tell who the father is and what health clearances and titles he might have?
Just curious...

P.S. Why would you take NON-REFUNDABLE deposits on puppies in a litter of which some could possibly be deaf?[/quote]


I don't think she ever posted the dogs registered name How could you look it up?

She has also never said anything about showing or titles.Most people on here are pet breeders (right or wrong) and hopefully can be educated on the right way to breed dogs.

Do you take deposits for show breeding quality?If so how do you know they will be when they have never been in the ring or have yet to pass any health clearences?

This is just a way to try to get back at her for sticking up for a friend again(right or wrong)
Donna

[rottiegirl]

Breeding dogs of any color is tricky, and breeding white dogs is even harder, however with plenty of research and proper guidance nice, healthy litters can be produced. Everyone has their own standard on breeding, I've met people who think that as long as it's a cute breed, or they can make up a cute "breed" name, they will be producing litters. In my opinion if you don't show or aren't involved a *dog sport you shouldn't breed. People who say that they breed for "nice pets"... well the pounds are full of them "My dog is so unique, we have to have a puppy from her" the pounds are full of unique dogs. If you arn't breeding for the complete dog, comformation, temperment, health, and working ability, what are you breeding for?



*This could include, but is not limited to herding, carting,field trials, terrier trials, terrier races, lure coursing, obedience, weight pulling, agility, As well as breed specific events (ex, For dalmations there are tests in which the Dal must run along side a horse drawn carrage for an hour, and prove to be comfortable around horses)

Here I will also include my best carting Bernese Mountain Dog, Bailey is a puppy mill rescue dog. So there are wonderful working dogs in pounds, also Ch Kismets Site for Sore Eyes, The German Shepherd was going to go into GSD rescue becouse of a comformation fault, another breeder bought him and he won the herding group at Westminster a few years back.