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    Toy Fox Terriers vs Toy Rat Terriers

    What are the differences and similarities between these two breeds? The negatives and positives of each breed? I am going to be getting a small dog when one of our Pugs are gone (we have two, and one is now nine years old) and in looking at different sites, have noticed TFTs and TRTs look very similar. What are the temperament/personality differences, and is either breed more yappy than the other? Is either breed more loving? I'd like a good little watch dog, but not one that is prone to unnecessary and prolonged barking. I'd like a dog not more than 6-8 lbs., and not more than about 10" high. Which would you guys recommend? (My 2 1/3 acre property is fully fenced, by the way, and we also have a small German Shepherd). Our pets are part of our family and are dearly loved so we are responsible pet owners. I want to make an informed decision when the time comes for our remaining Pug to have a good companion.

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    have you thought about a min pin i have one lol the little guy is really awsome. my nieghbour has a rat terrier she is barky and killed my pant leg when i was trying to knock on the door i think any toy dog will be yappy and unruly if not socialized properly. sorry dont know much about toy fox terriers.

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    Actually, I love min pins and have considered one, except all the ones I've known have been more yappy than all the other toy breeds I've known put together!

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    hehe the rat terrier definatly gets the yappy award in this nieghbourhood but then again she is a harried single mother with two children and i am single who has a interest in dog training as a hobby i definatly have more time to work with mine where she does not

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    There is no Toy Rat terrier(unless some BYB is breeding them.
    I have owned a TFT and know quite a few breeders of them.They are happy little dogs and Tory rulled the house here.The Rottweilers ran when he barked at them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rutylr View Post
    There is no Toy Rat terrier(unless some BYB is breeding them.
    I have owned a TFT and know quite a few breeders of them.They are happy little dogs and Tory rulled the house here.The Rottweilers ran when he baeked at them.

    would love to know what you mean by there are no rat terriers unless they are byb bred just curious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aescleah View Post
    would love to know what you mean by there are no rat terriers unless they are byb bred just curious

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    It said Toy Rat Terriers...As far as I know Rat terriers are not a variety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rutylr View Post
    It said Toy Rat Terriers...As far as I know Rat terriers are not a variety.
    o i see sorry you took it this way i was talking about the toy rat terrier but got lazy and did not add the toy part i did not think there was aneed to be that specific /shrug

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    Okay looked up the standard and there are miniatures and standards.Just saw them at a show last week and don't remember them as a Variety.
    RAT TERRIER
    Official U.K.C. Breed Standard

    Revised January 1, 2004



    History

    • The Rat Terrier is an American breed descended from the terriers brought over by English miners and other working class immigrants. These terriers probably included crosses between the Smooth Fox Terrier, the Manchester Terrier and the now extinct white English Terrier. These dogs were used as ratters, and gambling on their prowess in killing rats was a favorite hobby of their owners. Some of these dogs were crossed with Whippets or Italian Greyhounds (for speed) and Beagles (for hunting ability). Eventually, these tough little terriers evolved into today’s Rat Terrier. The breed was popularized by President Teddy Roosevelt, who frequently hunted with his Rat Terriers. Many are still used as ratters and squirrel hunters, particularly in the South, where they are sometimes known as “Feists.”

      The Rat Terrier was recognized by the United Kennel Club on January 1, 1999.

    General Appearance

    • The Rat Terrier is a muscular, active, small-to-medium hunting terrier. The preferred ratio of length of body (prosternum to point of buttocks) to height (withers to ground) to is 10:9. The head is broad, slightly domed, wedge-shaped, and proportionate to the size of the body. Ears are V-shaped, set at the outside edges of the skull, and may be erect or button. The Rat Terrier must have a natural tail carried in an upward curve, a natural bob tail, or a docked tail. The Rat Terrier comes in solid white, other solid colors with markings, and white with a variety of colored patches. The Rat Terrier should be evaluated as a working terrier, and exaggerations or faults should be penalized in proportion to how much they interfere with the dog’s ability to work. Honorable scars resulting from field work are not to be penalized.

      Disqualification: A short-legged dog whose proportions vary significantly from the 10:9 ratio lacks breed type and must be disqualified.

    Characteristics

    • The Rat Terrier is an energetic, alert dog whose curiosity and intelligence make him easy to train. The Rat Terrier has sometimes been described as having a dual personality. He is a fearless, tenacious hunter with seemingly unlimited energy. When he is not hunting, however, the Rat Terrier is an exceptionally friendly companion, getting along well with children, other dogs, and even cats. Rat Terriers enjoy human companionship immensely and will enthusiastically share any activity with their owners. Rat Terriers should not be sparred during conformation judging.

    Head

    • The head is proportionate to the size of the body. When viewed from the side, the skull and muzzle are of equal length and joined by a moderate stop. Viewed from the front and the side, the Rat Terrier’s head forms a blunt wedge shape.

      Fault: Abrupt stop.

      SKULL – The skull is broad and slightly domed. It tapers slightly toward the muzzle. The jaws are powerful with well-muscled cheeks.

      Serious fault: Apple head.

      MUZZLE – The muzzle is well filled-out under the eyes, well-chiseled, and tapers slightly from the stop to the nose. Jaws are powerful and hinged well back allowing the dog to open his mouth wide enough to catch rats and other rodents. Lips are dry and tight with no flews. Lip pigment matches nose pigment.

      Fault: Snipey muzzle.

      TEETH – The Rat Terrier has a complete set of good-sized, evenly spaced, white teeth. A scissors bite is preferred but a level bite is acceptable.

      Faults: Missing teeth; overshot or undershot bite.

      NOSE – The nose is black or self-colored.

      Faults: Dudley or butterfly nose.

      EYES – Eyes are set obliquely and are round, small, and somewhat prominent. Eye color ranges from dark brown to amber and corresponds with coat color. Hazel eyes are acceptable in dogs with lighter coat color. Blue or amber eyes are permitted in blue-colored dogs only, but a dark gray eye with gray eye rims is preferred. Eye rims match nose pigment.

      Faults: Bulgy eyes; deep-set eyes; light-colored eyes in a dog with black coat color or black pigment; both eyes not of matching colors; eye with iris containing more than one color; wall or china eye.

      EARS – Ears are V-shaped, set at the outside edges of the skull. Ears are either erect, tipped, or button when the dog is alert. Matching ears are strongly preferred. Non-matching ear carriage should be penalized to the degree of the variation. Note: Ear carriage may not stabilize until a dog is mature. Dogs under one year of age should not be penalized for variations in ear carriage.

      Faults: Erect ears with the sides curved inward forming a shape like a tulip petal; rose ears; flying ears; non-matching ear carriages.

      Disqualification: Hanging ears.

    Neck

    • The neck is clean, moderately long, muscular, slightly arched, and tapers slightly from the shoulders to the head. The neck blends smoothly into well laid back shoulders.

    Forequarters

    • Shoulders are smoothly muscled. The shoulder blades are well laid back with the upper tips fairly close together at the withers. The upper arm appears to be equal in length to the shoulder blade and joins it at an apparent right angle. The elbows are close to the body. Viewed from any angle, the forelegs are straight, strong, and sturdy in bone. The pasterns are strong, short, and nearly vertical.

    Body

    • A properly proportioned Rat Terrier is slightly longer (measured from prosternum to point of buttocks) than tall (measured from the withers to the ground), and length of the front leg (measured from point of elbow to the ground) should approximately equal one-half of the dog’s height. Whether the dog is standing or moving, the line of the back is strong and level. The loin is moderately short, slightly arched, and muscular, with moderate tuck-up. The croup is slightly sloping. The ribs extend well back and are well sprung out from the spine, forming a broad, strong back, then curving down and inward to form a deep body. The brisket extends to or just below the elbow. Viewed from the front, the chest between the forelegs is well filled and of moderate width. Viewed from the side, the forechest extends in a shallow oval shape in front of the forelegs.

    Hindquarters

    • The hindquarters are muscular with the length of the upper and lower thighs being approximately equal. The angulation of the hindquarters is in balance with the angulation of the forequarters. The stifles are well-bent, and the hocks are well let down. When the dog is standing, the short, strong rear pasterns are perpendicular to the ground and, viewed from the rear, parallel to one another.

    Feet

    • The feet are compact and slightly oval in shape. The two middle toes are slightly longer than the other toes. Toes may be well split up but not flat or splayed. Front dewclaws may be removed. Rear dewclaws must be removed.

      Faults: Flat feet; splayed feet; rear dewclaws present.

    Tail

    • The tail is set on at the end of the croup. A docked or natural bob tail is preferred, but a natural tail is not a fault. Docking should be between the second and third joint of the tail. he natural tail is thick at the base and tapers toward the tip. When the dog is alert, the tail is carried in an upward curve. When relaxed, the tail may be carried straight out behind the dog.

      Faults: Bent tail; ring tail.

    Coat

    • The coat is short, dense, and smooth, with a sheen. Whiskers are not removed.

      Disqualifications: Wire or broken coat; long coat.

    Color

    • The Rat Terrier may be solid white, bi-color or tri-color but must always have some white, which may be of any size and located anywhere on the dog. The white area may be ticked as long as white predominates. The remaining accepted colors are: black, tan (ranging from dark tan to very light tan and from intense dark mahogany red to light red with black nose and eyerims), chocolate (ranging from dark liver to light chocolate with self-colored nose and eyerims), blue and blue fawn (with self-colored nose and eyerims), apricot (ranging from orange to faded yellow with black nose and eyerims), and lemon (ranging from orange to faded yellow with self-colored nose and eyerims). Colored areas may have sable overlay.

      Faults: Fawn (pale yellowish tan with self-colored nose), cream (pale yellow to off-white), fallow with black mask (very light yellowish tan with black mask), and silver (the extreme dilution of blue).

      Disqualifications: Brindle; merle; absence of white; any solid color other than white; albinism.

    Height and Weight

    • The Rat Terrier is divided into two varieties for conformation exhibition: Miniature and Standard.

      Miniature Variety: Not exceeding 13 inches, measured at the withers.

      Standard Variety: Over 13 inches but not exceeding 18 inches, measured at the withers.

      Weight will vary depending on the size of the individual dog. Rat Terriers are working terriers and should be presented in hard, muscular condition.

      Faults: Height over 19 inches; obesity.

    Gait

    • The Rat Terrier moves with a jaunty air that suggests agility, speed, and power. Rat Terrier gait is smooth and effortless, with good reach of forequarters without any trace of hackney gait. Rear quarters have strong driving power, with hocks fully extending. Viewed from any position, legs turn neither in nor out, nor do feet cross or interfere with each other. As speed increases, feet tend to converge toward center line of balance.

    Disqualifications

    • Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Unilateral or bilateral deafness. A short-legged dog whose proportions vary significantly from the 10:9 ratio. Hanging ears. Wire or broken coat. Long coat. Brindle. Merle. Bi-color where neither color is white. Any solid color other than white. Albinism.
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    Here's a question, I was wondering are you going to be outside(and stay the whole time) with the 6-8 pounder when they are out? Just worried about Hawks, Eagles, Falcons to name a few flying wildlife that would love to meet a lone furbaby outside. I know I have to be out with my crew because of such scary birds when they are in the back yard. Just food for thought..
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