question about hips

[Shelteez]

BClover sent me a website where i could look up OFA registry, wish i had known of that site, thanks to her i learned alot especially about my own two dogs . I know we already talked about it but i wanted more opinions on it.

Let's just say dog number one's parents are listed Good for hips and elbow. But dog number 1 has a fair hip. Is that a bad thing?.

Now let's say if a breeder decides to breed a dog with GOOD hip to dog number 1 and they had a litter. Would you be iffy about getting one of the pups?. Is it common for a breeder to breed a good hip dog to a fair one?.

Just curious

[Dignity]

It seems to be breeder choice and some breeders will breed on Fair - but I think it is advised that with a Fair rating the dog not be breed. Would I be iffy about getting one of the pups - does the pup come with any hip guarantee? I know with my dogs, I'd be more inclined to find both parents have at least a 'good' rating.

[Shelteez]

Originally Posted by Dignity

It seems to be breeder choice and some breeders will breed on Fair - but I think it is advised that with a Fair rating the dog not be breed. Would I be iffy about getting one of the pups - does the pup come with any hip guarantee? I know with my dogs, I'd be more inclined to find both parents have at least a 'good' rating.

yes the puppies does have hip gaurantee, it expires when the pup turns 26 months old which would mean the owner would have 2 month window period to get it xrayed and certified. by the OFA

So your case it would depend on what breed? let's say it's no big deal for a sheltie but it is for a German Shepherd?

[Bendensteel]

A lot of breeders use fair with good. However, I also think they look further back. If you have good hips behind fair, then maybe. I also think you have to look at the total package. What has the fair dog achieved? Everything else good? Anything to add to the gene pool? I think hips are **** shoot no matter what. But, I'm a firm believer in doing hip xrays. Betters the odds IMHO.
That's cool the breeder gave you 26 months. A lot barely give you 24.

[Shelteez]

Originally Posted by Bendensteel

A lot of breeders use fair with good. However, I also think they look further back. If you have good hips behind fair, then maybe. I also think you have to look at the total package. What has the fair dog achieved? Everything else good? Anything to add to the gene pool? I think hips are **** shoot no matter what. But, I'm a firm believer in doing hip xrays. Betters the odds IMHO.
That's cool the breeder gave you 26 months. A lot barely give you 24.

The Elbow is good, grand parents, great great grand parents were all listed from good to normal

[borzoimom]

Originally Posted by Shelteez

The Elbow is good, grand parents, great great grand parents were all listed from good to normal

If you breed a fair ( which technically is clear just a fair) to lines you know, which this statement says they knew were, that would be acceptable. If they bred a fair to another fair or a fair without knowing the lines of the " get" - no that would not be acceptable.

[GSDNewbie]

I personally would not use a fair or buy from a fair hipped litter. I also would not go with a breed only warranty to 26 months as well. My warranty with Aleit is ever get hip dysplaysia she is to be spayed and would be replaced with a pup.

[weezyNollie]

I think it's a myth that Shelties don't need to worry about hip dysplasia. They are actually listed as a breed that are predisposed to it. People just think bigger dogs are the ones with the issues. I also agree with GSDNewbie -- 26 months isn't that long of a guarantee. My mom's GSD breeder guarantees up until 5 years of age. And most dogs don't develop signs of hip dysplasia by 26 months, so unless the owner was educated and had the OFA films done -- it wouldn't matter. But 5 years is a much bigger window.

IMO, I would not want a dog from a "fair" parent, if I had a choice. I don't know parents or breeders or any of my three though. I know Louise and Ollie's hips are in pretty decent shape cause they both have had x-rays at some point or another and their hips looked great. Not to say they can't progress though...

[bdrcol22]

Originally Posted by Bendensteel

A lot of breeders use fair with good. However, I also think they look further back. If you have good hips behind fair, then maybe. I also think you have to look at the total package. What has the fair dog achieved? Everything else good? Anything to add to the gene pool? I think hips are **** shoot no matter what. But, I'm a firm believer in doing hip xrays. Betters the odds IMHO.
That's cool the breeder gave you 26 months. A lot barely give you 24.

I agree here.. I am not opposed to breeding/getting a puppy from a fair hipped dog. But I would look behind the dog too. What do the parents have? Grandparents? Siblings? Half siblings? If there are goods and excellents here, I am not worried about 1 fair. Especially since the genetics behind hip dysplasia has not be pinpointed yet. And that growth and environment can have a ton to do with things too.

[Dignity]

26 months isn't long enough. I just had Denali's hips x-rayed (not trying to certify them or anything) and she's 4 - with Loki same thing, just had his x-rayed this year as well.

I would probably shy away from the puppy.