Nobody told me this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Karen]

I was just reading "Are JRT's difficult to train" and did not know that they were. I thought it was me. I am in tears because Lucy (1yr) just nipped at a 2 year old boy in our home. Both Sam(1 1/2yrs) still are not fully house broken..still chew up things... and bark at anything at all. Sam jumps continously at the TV so animal planet or any violent movies are impossible to watch. They have gone to training and are great with tricks...but out of control when they want to be. I thought I was a bad mother.

[MarioLuigi]

You need to see a behaviorist at this point.

[goombaya]

they are more stubborn but not untrainable.

first, your not a bad mother as your here and you appear to care, but you cant at this point write off this behavior as being in the breed. If you do that you'll live with it forever.

please describe how you've handled potty training to date? this is the easiest to correct.

also aside from the potty training, you'll have to get them more socialized. They cannot nip at people, get them out-expose them to people, if even on a muzzle. They are high energy dogs, so make sure you can accomodate their physical needs through excersise.

hope this helps... are there any JRT people within your area that might be able to help you?

[Ken Nielsen]

Goombaya is right. Too often I see people living with dogs that are out of control, yet the people will not lift a finger to go into professional training class. A six-week class will run about a hundred bucks and give you back priceless years of well behaved fun. Yet people are unwilling to do just this minimum training. Get to it now. The sooner the better.

[Karen]

Thanks guys... First Mario/luigi is the behaviorist for me or them lol
Goobaya.......I have been under the skilled instructions of ellierat with potty training and nothing works. They are gated in a 4x4 mud room at night with a pee pad. ( they don't hold it at night even when let out frequently) they go on the pad if I move the pad they go on the spot where the pad was. I never see them go in the house so I can't stop them in the act.
As far as nipping it was the only time and they are very social with many people in the house and out doors. We go to a fenced in baseball field and meet other dogs for free runs off leach they love it. Never had a problem.
I have never had a problem training dogs before..I have to be doing something wrong.

[Karen]

Hi Ken
I had them in clicker training and Sam even won as best in the class. We are very consistant maybe too easy on them. We don't hit them but we do hold them down for a few minutes in a submissive position.

[Karen]

Any ideas as to how to find a good trainer or behaviorist?
Should both of them go at the same time?

[Elite]

Maybe you could get personal classes? My dog trainer will do things by request, like if you're dog doesn't like 2 year olds or cats, she'll work on it. So just find a class that takes requests [img]smile.gif[/img]
How old are your dogs? My puppy also has a thing for nipping 2 year olds, but one of the ones from across the street ran over the other day and was like "molly didn't bite me!" which was great news. She just things little kids are other puppies. I'm glad none of them are afraid of her. But with Molly its passing. I thought that was just a puppy thing...I don't really think hyper puppies should be around kids at all.

And don't blame yourself...JRTs are difficult, and that just means you have to work a little harder than a person who owns, say, a lab. Well, a lot harder, lol.

[goombaya]

Karen im sure ellierat has given you good info on pottie training.

Im confused about one thing though. You mention that you use wee wee pads. And that they are let out to go frequently.

Im going to ramble a bit so bear with me.

It is my understanding and to a degree my experience that wee wee pads are to train the dog to go in the spot that you want them to go in. Heres the problem with that, MOST people want their dog to go outside, most people that buy wee wee pads think they are going to use them as an intermediary step in potty training until the dog learns where to go. Having said that, IMO they are counterproductive in that application. If you want your dog to go OUTSIDE than only let them go outside. Wee Wee pads train thme to go inside. They think they're supposed to go inside. So its infintiely more difficult to potty train a dog using both wee wee pads and going outdoors. The dogs get confused or have to be trained twice, and re-trained. With that, some people dont have outdoors and want their dogs to go on wee wee pads but thats different. It doesnt involve retraining.

So, if you are trying to get your dog to go outside. You might look into eliminating the wee wee pad thing, scrub the heck out of that room with an enzymatic cleaner and only allow them to go outside, and praise them when they do. AND im sure you have considered and for whatever reason discarded crate training them, but its what I would do if I didnt want them to go to the bathroom in my house overnight. Barring a medical issue, any adult dog should be able to hold its bladder overnight.

WIth all of that. If your attempting to train them to go on wee wee pads forever forget everything i just said.

[Karen]

Hi Elite and Goombaya..
The personal classes sounds like the way to go I wonder where to get a good trainer and not a quack.
As far as the p/p pads.. They are actully non scented cotton pads for beds or furniture for people who are incontinent and washable. If that makes any difference. I know that you are SOOO RIGHT about the indoor/outdoor concept. That is my problem. They pee outside when I am home and the pads are removed but at night or when I am not home they will not hold it and go on the pad or floor where the pad was. I keep the pad there because I don't want them to pee on the floor. I know I did them an injustice with this training technique but I can't seem to fix it. As far as crate training I figured that was not an option because Lucy pees in her bed.
Isn't that against the crate theory?
Thanks for your help.