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Old 09-03-2005, 08:17 PM
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i need an answer quick, can u breed brother and sister and why not or w hy , i am not sure how it works, this is really important for someone to get back to me, cause i might buy a pup that is already breed that way and i also hav ea femaile and someone want s to breed with her, i have tons of questions can someone answer some of them
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Old 09-03-2005, 08:48 PM
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breeding siblings can cause genetic defects and pregnancy problems. As far as breeding your current dog you have to consider that your not just getting one puppy your geting a whole litter. Is she a mix or Purebreed.
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Old 09-03-2005, 09:43 PM
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yeah..not a good idea...inbreeding is sick..and like midlifeloki said can cause SERIOUS birth defects and health problems
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Old 09-03-2005, 09:45 PM
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If I were you I would not breed her and as for the puppy how old is she? If i were you I would have the pregnancy terminated for the safety of the dog because something could easily go wrong and that would be her life
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Old 09-03-2005, 09:49 PM
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Answer in a word:
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Brother to sister is WAY to close of a combination. That is considered inbreeding and is very bad for the dogs. The puppies will have genetic defects as Midlifeloki said, and well, think about it. Would you want to breed with your brother/sister?
Dogs may not understand that a dog is their brother or sister, but genetics will. The genes in the dogs will be too dominant and because both dogs likely have the same problems, they are given little room to occur. In some dogs, a certain gene, say - the immune system inefficiancy that causes demodex mites in collies, will be carried, but the dog wil not have the mites. If both dogs had that gene, the puppies would all have the mites, and would be very severe.
Also, inbreeding can cause deformities in the puppies. A puppy will have an extra toe or something. They can be born blind and death, etc.

As for you breeding your dog. Anyone CAN breed an unaltered animal, however most people should not. Unless your goal is to improve the health, conformation standard, temperment, and agility of a certain purebred dog, then you SHOULD NOT breed. A responsible breeder has a true passion for their breed and will know every thing that they can possibly learn about their breed. They will understand that every dog is different and will be able to match pedigrees to make sure their dog has the best possible match. If this is something that you are truly interested in, my advice is to find a breeder of your breed and ask them to mentor you in your first few litters. This will allow you to learn more about pregnancy, whelping, genetic defects of your breed and raising a litter of pups.

Breeding is not easy. It is not a way to make money. Most breeders can't even break even for several litters. It is actually a good way to go into debt. Like I said before, you must have a true love and dedication for your breed in order to be a breeder.

When should you not breed your dog...
1. when the dog is not registered with a national kennel club or breed club
2. if the dog is not purebred
3. if the dog has any known genetic problems
4. if the dog is over 6 years old
5. if the dog does not meet certain conformation and/or working requirements
6. if you do not have the time or money to put into a litter
7. if you can't find homes for the puppies before the dog is bred
8. if you do not have a mentor or experienced person helping you through the process
9. if you can't find a good genetic matching dog to breed her with
10. if you haven't done enough research yet to know that a brother and sister should not be bred together.
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Old 09-04-2005, 08:15 PM
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There are alot of breeders that do this (COE breeders).They say they know their line well enough to do this with good results.
I my self would never buy a puppy from this type of breeding nor would I do this type of breeding.
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Old 09-04-2005, 10:14 PM
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no one can "know their line" because genetic are so mysterious. lol, You're right, never buy a puppy from this type of litter.
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Inbreeding, when done correctly and occasionally can help with good points, although severe inbreeding (doing it more then once with brother to sister, mother to son, ect. in less then 5 generations) can bring about horrible crippling diseases. I would not get this dog, Or I would get her and then have her spayed right away.
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Old 09-10-2005, 05:48 AM
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I work for a kennel that actually does inbreeding once in a while. But the puppies they keep for breeding the next generation they dont inbreed them they out cross. The #2 rough collie in the US last year was actaully from one of these litters that they bred. He is the most beautiful dog I have ever seen, and his half brother was and still is the #1 rough in the US. I would do an inbreeding IF I found a trait that I wanted to keep to solidify the trait, and I wouldnt do it all the time. I also wouldnt reccomend it to just anyone.
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If done correctly, it can be done with good results. But to a beginner in breeding, no, this is a BAD idea.
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